Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Geographic anomalies
Date: Dec 29, 2000 @ 21:59
Author: michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
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>Colleagues,
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>Please be advised that this message is fairly long. If I voilate
>some list-etiquette because of this, please let me know and
>it won't be repeated.
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>I only recently found your community on the net, but I have
>truly enjoyed browsing the message archive.
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>Although tripoints certainly is an interesting feature, I should
>like to have some input on enclaves and exclaves.
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>We can probably agree on some definition of the words 'enclave'
>and 'exclave', so let me extend the discussion to other interesting
>geographic anomalies as well.
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>JUNGHOLZ
>For quite some time I have wondered about the status of Jungholz,
>so thank you for the recent clarification on this matter. I shall look
>forward to the forthcoming reports from the single connection point.
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>LLIVIA, CAMPIONE D'ITALIA, BAARLE-HERTOG, BUESINGEN
>These are fairly wellknown exclaves. Do you discuss them at all,
>and if so, would anyone have any interesting links or maps?
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>MOUNT ATHOS
>Is this an enclave? How much political independence is required
>for us to consider a territory an enclave? By the way, does complete
>maritime exclusion count, or do we only concern ourselves with
>at least partly landlocked entities?
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>ST PIERRE ET MIQUELON
>Speaking of maritime exclusion, do we consider the small french
>islands just off the east coast of Canada an exclave?
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>GUANTANMO BASE
>Guantanamo is an american naval base on Cuba. Does anyone
>have any interesting input?
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>CASES OF EXCLAVES WITHIN EXCLAVES
>Baarle-Hertog is a well-known example of the extremely rare case, where
>exclaves exist within exclaves. There is allegedly another case in Oman.
>Does anyone have any information on this? By the way, did you know
>that there is at least one Dutch exclave within the main territory of
>Belgium in the vicinity of Baarle? I'll scan a map and put it here if anyone
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>has interest in this fact.
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>LITHUANIA
>Is there, or is there not, a lithuanian exclave within Belarus?
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>THE VATICAN
>Does anyone have a *good* map of the Vatican? I'd like to be able to
>see precisely where the border is.
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>CYPRUS
>There seems to exist at least two british military bases, constituting
>independent territories, on Cyprus, and at least one turk-cypriotic
>exclave on the north-west coast of the island. Information, anyone?
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>CEUTA, MELILLA
>Does anyone have information or good maps of the two spanish
>exclaves on the moroccan coast?
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>NEUTRAL ZONES
>What neutral zones do we know of? Are there neutral zones close to
>Gibraltar, Ceuta and Melilla? And what happened to the rombic shaped
>neutral zone in the desert between Saudi Arabia and Iraq? Is it still
>there?
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>IRELAND
>Was there ever an irish exclave within the territory of Northern Ireland?
>I have a map that would suggest such a case, but it may well be a
>badly produced map. Can anyone clarify this case?
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>HISTORIC GEOGRAPHIC ANOMALIES
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>Do you concern yourself at all with historic enclaves? As the supply of
>living enclaves and exclaves is finite, why not look into some not-too-
>long-gone cases?
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>WEST-BERLIN
>Well, Berlin (West), surely the most well-known exclave of the near past.
>But did you know that there were several sub-exclaves off Berlin, i. e.
>areas within East-German territory belonging to West-Berlin? I have
>found Eiskeller, Steinstuecken (connected to West-Berlin with a corridor
>in 1971 or 1972, I think) and Falkenhagener Wiese. Were there others?
>What are their stories? Does anyone know? I have a wonderful russian
>map that outlines those sub-exclaves and I'll scan it if anyone is
>interested.
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>ZARA or ZADAR
>Zara was an italian exclave on the coast of Croatia, now called Zadar.
>Does anyone have any information or maps?
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>PORKALA
>Porkala was a large Soviet military base on the Finish south coast.
>I think the area was rented by the Soviets as part of the peace treaty
>following the second world war. Information, anyone?
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>DANZIGER FREISTAAT
>Does anyone have any information on the State of Danzig, which existed
>between the world wars? Good maps?
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>Regards,
>Mats