many thanx jack
& huge congrats to us both for agreeing perfectly on both best & second
best guesses
as it was no easy job
but even more wonderful to learn of your impending deluxe sawanabori of the
atlantic too
i hope you will be keeping an eye out for the njnyus & nyrius maritime
trifederal points on your first day out
both probably gliding right by on your port side
at short to medium distances
since both are roughly 3 nautical miles from your receding coastline
if we can find their alignments or coords
maybe you can even get the captain to pass thru these points for you
as mine did at idorwa with only 20 lives at stake
& you would then undoubtedly be setting a new worlds record for greatest
tripointing party
so far as i know
neither of these points has ever been seriously tried
nor even wildly photographed from shore
about my definition of true source
it is of course a slightly silly concept
but i meant the greater fork of the greater fork of the greater fork etc
as actually encountered in ascending the stream from its mouth
all the way up to the first drop of continuously falling moisture or glacier
but usually at the highest issue point of a spring or seep
in this case the point we both identified as most probable is even depicted
as a spring by usgs
i would love to get a load of your maps & would offer to drop by & xerox
them myself probably on thursday morning if that would ease your logistics
alternatively i will check before leaving at
p o box a1
twin lakes ct 06079
in every case much obliged & delighted to have you with me
m
> Michael, Is your definition of the true source the highest point
>from which water is continuously flowing or the longest distance from
>the mouth to the most distant tributary's source? Since Topozone is
>slow cruising I went up the Shenandoah via DeLorme. Discounting the
>North Fork of Shenandoah which comes in at Riverton near Front Royal as
>originating too low and not distant enough, I kept paddling upstream. I
>found that water called Shenandoah originates at the junction of North
>River and Middle River. South River comes in at Port Republic, slightly
>downstream. It appeared that both South and Middle have longer courses
>but to me the best source was either North River itself near the VA-WV
>line about 100 yds east of Public Road 85 a little south of Dyers Knob
>(4080 ft.), or it may be the Briery Branch of North River which
>originates about a mile north of the above mentioned location. This one
>is more easily accessed via routes 42, 257 and SSR924 to Briery Branch
>Gap. At this point Public Road 85 comes in from the south so you could
>make a loop trip. If you want to follow the North River more closely to
>the first named source, go south about 15 miles from Harrisonburg to
>Moscow, then west on SSR731 which becomes SSR 730 after 4 miles to near
>Stokesville where you want SSR 718. After a mile turn off left on an
>un-named road which follows North River, Skidmore Fork and then back up
>North River with several crossing up to where Little River comes in .
>After about 1.5 miles along Little River a very sharp right turn will
>put you on Public Road 85 which follows the VA-WV line north and a
>little east to the head of North River mentioned above. This State line
>ridge (Shenandoah Mountain) forms the divide separating drainage to the
>Shenandoah from the Bullpasture, Cowpasture, Calfpasture Branches which
>are the origins of the James River. Also over the next ridge west is
>the beginnings of the South Branch of the Potomac, a long ways
>from Fairfax Stone which heads up the North Branch Potomac. How
>soon are you leaving on this jaunt? If any of the above has any value and
>you would like Delorme maps let me know before this Thursday. We are
>leaving for England on Saturday on the QE2. Will have 4 days in London
>and 3 in Paris before flying home June 3.
> -----Original Message-----From: michael donner
>[mailto:m@...]Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 7:58 PMTo:
>BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.comSubject: [BoundaryPoint] sawanabori rocks
>wet or drynot a
> question about a low tide elevationbut an appreciation &
> enhancement of the allegedly ancient japanese orpossibly just
> fantastic art & sport & ritual of tracing rivers to
> theirsourceas previously described in & between messages 1847
> & 1855having pondered & searched long & hard for a good
> act to follow thatunusually rewarding ascent of the potomaci finally
> determined just this week to try next the greatest tributary &closest
> kin of the potomacthe shenandoahit is a beauty of a river &
> valley too & a beauty of a nameso i know already it will
> rock& too excited to hold back until actually arriving at its
> mouth next week precisely on the mdwv state line between harpers
> ferry & mdvawvi started zooming it in on mapquest &
> topozone& of course couldnt stop panning til i reached its most
> probable sourcemany entertaining hours latersince i am admittedly
> crazy about zooming & panningnor was the imaginary journey so
> trivial or easy to make as it may sound& indeed i highly recommend it
> as an armchair adventure some rainy nightwhether in the form of up
> the shenandoahor some other river that calls youclimbing the
> waters themselves in a boator snaking high & dry over all the bridges
> in a caror actually slogging the last mile with bare feetor just
> letting your fingers & mouse do the walkingmany of the challenges
> & satisfactions are the same& if you are doing the virtual
> sawanabori in preparation for an actual oneas in the present caseyou
> will get the extra bonuses of saving gas by predetermining the
> shortestroutes& of advancing the research by previewing all the
> critical confluencesanyway i do have a questioncan anyone
> confirm the true source of the true shenandoahi think i have found it
> on topozonebut i would like a second
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