Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llivia
Date: Dec 03, 2000 @ 23:01
Author: Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
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David is correct. The location maps show the enclave to be a crescent shape,
with the town at one end, and the castle on the hill above the town.
There are no counter enclaves or weird Spanish roads with France on either
side of their drainage ditches or the like. Access tobLlivia us by a neutral
road.
I have maps from both the French and the Spanish i may be ableto scan for
you (French 1:25k, 1:100k and Spain 1:50k).
The world ewnclavements list also includes klein wasertal, which is a
peneenclave, not an envlae. While only accessible from Germany, it is
bounded on three sides by the res of its own country, Austria. It's just
that with mountains on those three sides, the valley it is in opens onto
Bavaria, so guess where they built the road?
Ditto for the Swiss/Austrian casel isted. Several other peneenclavesain the
Alps region in Robinson's day (1950s) have been depeneenclaved (try THAT on
your spellsheck!)by tunnels or hairy roads into them fomr their mother
countries.

Bordering on the absurd,
Brendan


>From: David Mark <dmark@...>
>Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@egroups.com
>To: BoundaryPoint@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Llivia
>Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 13:38:26 -0500 (EST)
>
>
>
>On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, michael donner wrote:
>
> > > Great to find border freaks online Maybe someone is interested in
> > >the link http://www.llivia.com Jesper
> >
> > great freakin language they have there too
> > & nice map
> > right down to the tennis courts
>
>The little picture on http://www.llivia.com/access.htm seems to confirm my
>recollection from my visit to Llivia, that there is quite a bit of
>farmland within Llivia, so I think the "Mapa de Carrera" is just of the
>urbanized part of Llivia, not the entire enclave.
>
>Incidentally, they have a list of international "enclavanents" on
>http://www.llivia.com/situac.htm and they (incorrectly) include Point
>Roberts as as US "within" ("dins") Canada.
>
>So I don';t think the road up to the castle is a narrow strip of Spain
>with France in gray, I think it is just a road with rural Spanish enclave
>land in gray. In fact, on further reading, the page on nature,
>http://www.llivia.com/natura.htm, shows some hills (puig) and even a
>little mountain range (petita serra)
>
>Just my opinion...
>
>David
>
> > it even looks like there may be a second order exclave in the gray area
> > but i cant be sure
> >
> > also dig those crazy proruptions
> > especially the umbilical cord up to the castell de llivia in the
>northeast
> >
> > m
> >

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