Yes, Peter, it certainly looks like a boundary

marker, many of them - especially the new

ones (and this MUST be a very new one)

are painted red on top...(my experience...)

Have tried to locate this border crossing,

but in vain...any help.?.

must be between Cz and Sk - but where?

Difficult to read the sign below "Slovenska

Republika" , btw: Slovakia's official name

must be one of the reasons why so many

people can't distinguish between Slovenia

and Slovakia...

Best regards

Peter H.

(scan and some translation of border article on

"U Sabotu" to follow later (am a bit busy...)

Pjotr

-------Original Message-------

From: Peter Smaardijk

Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 22:53:50

To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Iron Curtian stories: Sidonie

I'm looking forward to it. I can get along with Danish, with a
dictionary and some guess-work ;-)

BTW, regarding
http://grumpy.fm.vse.cz/www/sakko/fotky/800x600/s1v.jpg : is that a
border marker I see there behind the fence (the little stone with
some red)? It certainly looks like one!

Peter S.

--- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Peter Hering" <hering@m...> wrote:

>

Thanks Peter S.

> found it!!!
> Tomorrow I'll scan the

article

> on U Sabotu....there's a nice pic-
> ture in

it...!

> Regards
> Peter H.
>
> -------Original

Message-------

>
> From: Peter Smaardijk
> Date:

Tuesday, May 29, 2001 16:03:47

> To: BoundaryPoint@y...
>

Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Iron Curtian stories: Sidonie

>
> Sidonie is just north-east of road 57 from Brumov-Bylnice (cz) to
> Dubnica nad Vahom (Vahom with acute accent on a) (sk). The road

> doubled by a railway, and there is the railway station Vlarsky
> Prusmyk (acutes on vowels in Vlarsky, small circle on u in

Prusmyk)

> just inside cz territory. The sk village on the other

side of the

> border on road 57 is Rybniky (acute on i). The main

road to Sidonie

> runs from road 57 in a north-easterly direction

through the valley
of

> the little stream that used to be the

boundary (and possibly still

> is, but that we don't know yet).

First you get to a tiny hamlet

> called Vlarka (acute on first a),

then to Sidonie, which

> administratively is a city quarter,

belonging to the city of Brumov-

> Bylnice. The road from road 57 to

the centre of Sidonie is 3,5 km

> long, and continues another

kilometre after that. Then it stops
(some

> dirt track

continues into Slovakia, on my map). The co-ordinates of

> Sidonie

are 18d05m east, 49d03m north (appr.).

>
> A picture of the

border at Vlarsky prusmyk (which means Vlara pass,

> the Vlara

(acute on first a) being the river, of which the Sidonie

> stream

is a tributary), can be seen at

>

http://grumpy.fm.vse.cz/www/sakko/fotky/800x600/s1v.jpg . It looks

> like the fence on the picture is part of the bridge over this

little

> stream, but I can't be sure, of course.
>
> Peter S.
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Peter

Hering" <hering@m...> wrote:

> > Peter S.,
> >

that's a very interesting link about

> > the exchange of

territory between

> > SK and CZ ! As a matter of fact, I
> > do have an article - in Danish - about
> > this village U

Sabotu, where most

> > people were angry about the drawing
> > of the new boundary line after the
> > peaceful

"divorce"...

> > So, it looks like things have been
> >

settled to the satisfaction of the

> > local people there, but

Peter :

> > where is Sidonie????
> > PS: I'll bring

along this article

> > to Baarle in Sept. !!!
> >

Regards

> > Peter H.
> >
> > -------Original

Message-------

> >
> > From: Peter Smaardijk
> > Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 11:16:55
> > To:

BoundaryPoint@y...

> > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Iron Curtian

stories: Sidonie

> >
> > After some searching, I found

that the exchange of Sidonie/U
Sabotu

> > took place on July

25, 1997:

> >

http://www.fss.muni.cz/projekty/stisk/issues/stisk_10_98/ . In

> > English: http://www.rferl.org/newsline/1997/07/3-CEE/cee-
>

280797.html .

> >
> > So in my opinion, it would be

strange to find the boundary still
in

> > the middle of the

village, in that small stream. Perhaps this

> chapter
> >

3 is a bit old?

> >
> > Peter S.
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@y...>

wrote:

> > > In chapter 3, the story of Sidonie comes up,

with the czsk

> boundary
> > > running through the

village. But then it looks like the treaty
of

> > > 1994

(see msg. 1665) was not executed, or this article is older

> >

than

> > > it says here (1999). Acc. to the news item

referred to in msg.

> > 1665,
> > > the entire

village was awarded to the Czech rep.; Slovakia got

> the
> > > village U Sabotu. Still, not having read the actual text of the
> > > treaty, nothing's for sure here yet.
> > >
> > > On my map (1:100000 road atlas, 1997), I can't make out

whether

> the
> > > boundary follows the main road of

the village or the stream
that

> > runs
> > >

through the village. In both cases the boundary does run
straight

> > > through the village. The main road crosses the stream a

number
of

> > > times (Sidonie is a long village, along

this stream, in a
hilly,

> > not
> > > to say

mountainous, area).

> > >
> > > A couple of years

ago I passed the village by train here and
was

> > >

checked by border control officers of both countries at the

>

Vlarsky

> > > Prusmyk (Vlarsky with acute accents on the

vowels, Prusmyk with
a

> > > small circle on top of the

u) railway station. If only I'd
known

> > > then, I would

have taken a look there.

> > >
> > > Peter

> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@y..., "Jesper

& Nicolette Nielsen"

> > > <jesniel@i...>

wrote:

> > > >

http://latimes.qpass.com/news/nation/reports/curtain/

> >
> >
> >
> >
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