Subject: Re: Japanese cross prefectural consolidation
Date: Apr 17, 2005 @ 04:57
Author: aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
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--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak" <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Henry Hirose" <silentcity@h...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak" <aletheiak@y...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > this remarkable location may be found on the border between
> > prefectures 9 & 26
> > > about a quarter of the way up from prefecture 1 to prefecture 43
> > >
> > pg
> > > so i realize it doesnt affect any multiprefectural points
> >
> > You are correct in this assumption. I double checked it.
> >
> > > but it reminds me to ask you henry whether you are aware of any
> > monumentation of the
> > > multiprefectural points
> > > for example
> > > or of the lesser multipoints if indeed there are any
> > > or of any particular enthusiasm for any of these points
> > > or of any tries to visit & or to specially acknowledge them etc in
> > any way
> > >
> >
> > Since my connection to this hobby and concept is only tangential, I
> > can't say how popular such concepts are here. A quick Google Japan
> > search in Japanese for "prefectural boundaries" showed no sites for
> > hobby groups. I got no hits for a search for tripoints. This is
> > looking like a case of conspicuous absence since the Japanese are
> > fairly hobby oriented.
> >
> > I did find one site whose owner has collected pictures of national
> > highways at prefectural boundaries. I don't see any markers in
> > them, just road signs.
> >
> > After a lot of effort, I finally found one tripoint marker:
> >
> > http://uenishi02.at.infoseek.co.jp/m200tokyo.html
>
> ahh beauuuuty henry
> & some of these rocks look most ancient indeed
> even 8th century
>
> could be the oldest set of tripoint rocks in the world waiting for us here
>
> thank you very much indeed
> & good going for this & for the entire report
> as it feels like an accurate assessment of the state of the art there
>
> which is after all looking not very different from most anywhere else
>
> > Go to the very bottom pic. That is the tripoint marker at Tokyo,
> > Saitama and Yamanashi located on Mt. Kumotori. This mountain is a
> > fairly popular longer trek from Tokyo.
> >
> > The fact that I had this much trouble finding it on such a
> > relatively prominent point may indicate that this hobby is very
> > obscure in Japan. Btw, the above is a site of a "triangulation
> > point" marker hobbyist.
> >
> > > i have noticed on my crude maps that the overwhelming majority of
> > the prefectural
> > > multipoints appear to be dry
> > > as most of the boundaries that produce them seem to prefer
> > watersheds to watercourses
> > >
> >
> > Most Japanese prefectural boundaries are extremely old. The
> > prefectures were created from the historical provinces as a result
> > of the modernization after the Meiji Restoration of 1867. Many
> > provinces were amalgamated and some boundaries were moved in the
> > following 5 years or so but perhaps about half retained their old
> > boundaries. The boundaries of provinces and their names date back
> > to internal reforms of the 8th Century with a few exceptions.
> >
> > They do indeed seem to prefer watersheds. Perhaps this is because
> > in a very mountainout country, mountains may seem to serve a
> > more "natural" divides than rivers and there are more of them to use.
> >
> > > but this is all pure fantasy unencumbered by any actual knowledge
> > of the reality there
> > > unless you can offer some kind of a summary report that would
> > begin to fill in our still
> > > completely empty map & blank slate of bp japan
> >
> > As I said, I don't know the state of the hobby here. I am unlikely
> > to venture out since I am not a BP hobbyist per se and many
> > tripoints are rather remote.
> >
> > HH