whooops again & we may have to tone down that condo celebration a little yet after all
as well as conceivably accelerate the timing for the south sudan breakaway tripoints too
because the whole north & south sudanese peace agreement cum coalition government
that spawned the condo has already practically seized up over serious disagreements
about it
& other bilateral matters
as reported here
http://tinyurl.com/az8tk
which btw is actually
http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php?StoryID=20051205-074242
-9725r
technically & legally the new condo tripoints still live
i still believe
as corrected below
but practically it seems just a question of how long it will be before they are essentially
replaced by the new world class tripoints created by the anticipated secession of south
sudan mentioned farther below
oh & also of course a question of which way the condo will go by that time
north or south
since probably not both
i think the 6 years mentioned in the article above must just be a mistake for 4 years
but it is hard to imagine a country running on for 4 months or 4 weeks in this condition
let alone a condominium of its 2 dysfunctional halves
so
the 2 south sudan breakaway tripoints are already looking like some serious competition
for eggzil & or any others that have ever looked like favorites in the new world class
tripoint derby
the new tripoint betting window remains open 24 seven btw
with odds offered up to the moment on any specific requests
--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak" <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
>
> whooops
> correction is necessary in morning light
> tho the celebration can continue
> since
> a closer examination of the dim geocoordinates on this map
> http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/sudan_pol00.jpg
> & of clearer ones on better maps
> has revealed to me that the shape of the condo is not a trapezoid after all
> hahaha
> & indeed i am happy to say her area has multiplied on my new improved mental map
> to incorporate the entire words al wahdah on the above map
> barely but fully
> & not just to approach the cedilla under the h
>
> or in other words
> i pulled too small a sw corner tab off of kurdufan
> & should have peeled the condo up at the next meridional cut line to the east
> or 3 turn points farther up the line
> as well as peeled it up a good deal farther due north from there
> before tearing it off westward to darfur
>
> but besides the shape & size change
> this correction places the new eastern tripoint not on the bahr al arab at all
> as i claimed in darkness last night
> but out in the blank space at this extant state line turnpoint just east of the word
wahdah
>
> or at least that is the closest i can make it out
> subject to further verification & precision
>
> so
> evidently
> not necessarily a new boundary point
> but a virgin tripoint nonetheless
>
> & that much harder to find
>
>
>
> & i should probably also clarify in morning light
> that
> leaving novel codes aside
> & assuming south sudan is ss & north sudan or rump sudan is still sd
> then these 2 new northsouth condo tripoints are already now legally
> whatever else they may be
> sd2sdsdssssw & sd2sdsdsssse respectively
>
> the pure virgin being the latter
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak" <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> >
> > this was message 18471 of about 6 weeks ago
> > seeking a map of the territory & especially the tripoints of the
> > new sudanese north south condo of the 9 ngok dinka kingdoms
> > which also straddles the fault line as both fulcrum & emblem of that countrys
seemingly
> > imminent breakup
> >
> > following the text
> > which may be worth a browse on the way down
> > is todays happy sequel
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak" <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > ok this is getting interesting
> > >
> > > here is not only legal confirmation of the 2 future tripoints i had til now only
surmised
> > > to whatever extent this future may be predictable
> > > but also evidence of a hitherto unnoticed but presently real north south
condominium
> > > & possibly even a steer toward locating its surprise bonus condo tripoints too
> > > http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/rwb.nsf/db900SID/SZIE-5ZJR4Z?OpenDocument
> > >
> > > for evidently all that is needed for this is a map of the mentioned 9 ngok dinka
> > chiefdoms
> > > seeing as they are all now officially in 2 places at once
> > > straddling the divide between north & south
> > >
> > > according to this recent comment
> > > http://www.sudaneseonline.com/earticle2005/oct5-50593.shtml
> > > the boundary demarcation process of the condo territory has already been finalized
> > >
> > > so
> > > can anyone find or point the way to an official or even an unofficial map of it
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, aletheia kallos <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > > notwithstanding the many pitfalls inherent in deep
> > > > crystal ball gazing
> > > > first
> > > > an expert opinion
> > > > http://www.pinr.com/report.php?ac=view_report&report_id=376&language_id=1
> > > > namely
> > > > that there is already a high likelihood that in 4
> > > > years the south of sudan aka ss will vote to separate
> > > > from the rest of the present sudan aka sd
> > > > as allowed by the recent peace agreement
> > > >
> > > > second
> > > > the historic & effective north south boundary
> > > > in bold yellow line here
> > > > http://www.sudanreeves.org/modules.php?
> > > op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=7&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
> > > >
> > > > third
> > > > for combination with & extrapolation from the above
> > > > map
> > > > a map of the existing 26 states of sudan & all their
> > > > boundaries
> > > > revealing exactly how & where the southernmost 10
> > > > states can be expected to flake off from the
> > > > northermost 16
> > > > http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/sudan_pol00.jpg
> > > > producing 2 new world class tripoints
> > > > namely
> > > > in the west
> > > > with the resulting rump sudan & the central african
> > > > republic
> > > > the putative cdsdss
> > > > at the present trijunction of the south or janub
> > > > darfur state
> > > > & the west or gharb bahr al ghazal state
> > > > with haute kotto prefecture of caf
> > > > aka cfsd2hksdwb
> > > > &
> > > > in the east
> > > > with the rump sudan & ethiopia
> > > > the putative etsdss
> > > > at the present tristate point of
> > > > the blue nile or an nil al azraq state
> > > > & the upper nile or a ali an nil state
> > > > with the ethiopian state of beni shangul
> > > > aka etsd2bebnun
> > > >
> > > > fourth
> > > > endeavoring to zoom in further
> > > > the former point falls roughly at center here
> > > > http://multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?
> > >
> >
>
client=public&X=2700000&Y=1000000&width=500&height=300&gride=&gridn=&srec=0
> > >
> >
>
&coordsys=mercator&db=w3&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=&local=&localinf
> > >
> >
>
osel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&zm=0&scale=4000000&multimap.x=246&multim
> > > ap.y=181
> > > > slightly west of midway between jebel manda & mont
> > > > abourassein
> > > > & the latter point falls roughly at center here
> > > > http://multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?
> > >
> >
>
client=public&X=3800000&Y=1050000&width=500&height=300&gride=&gridn=&srec=0
> > >
> >
>
&coordsys=mercator&db=w3&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=&local=&localinf
> > > osel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&zm=0&out.x=8&out.y=6&scale=1000000
> > > > wnw of beigi & nne of daga post
> > > >
> > > > still more zooming reveals both are in extremely
> > > > remote desert areas
> > > > if nearest to the villages of azraq sudan & chesar
> > > > ethiopia respectively
> > > >
> > > > & it is hard to imagine getting any closer to them in
> > > > 4 years than we already are now
> > > > at about 20 km of blank space from these closest known
> > > > features
> > > > & no known pix available even of these
> > > >
> > > > however
> > > > not to worry if you were thinking of placing a
> > > > tripoint sweepstakes bet
> > > > for since so much else could also happen in the next 4
> > > > years
> > > > the odds are still rather heavily stacked against
> > > > south sudan becoming the worlds very next new country
> > > > & against these tripoints becoming the very next to
> > > > join the world class
> > > >
> > > > in fact i would still give 10 to 1 against any of the
> > > > above
> > > > so maybe thats a good buy
> > > > or even money for it to happen by the end of 2010 in
> > > > any case
> > > > which could be a real steal
> >
> >
> >
> > well anyway
> > to return to the condo & tripoints
> > tho i cant in fact offer myself or ourselves any map yet
> > the tantamount of it is now available
> >
> > a verbal description in todays news sufficient to superimpose it all onto the map of
> sudan
> > http://www.sudaneseonline.com/earticle2005/nov22-64940.shtml
> >
> > which i can simplify & give directly by saying it is a trapezoid in the sw corner of the
> gharb
> > khurdufan state shown here
> > http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/sudan_pol00.jpg
> > that projects the eastern edge of that states southern tab northward along
e29d32m15s
> > as far as n10d22m30s
> > which it then follows westward to close at the darfur state line
> >
> > or in other words its ne corner almost kisses the cedilla under wahdah
> >
> > so voila & bravo
> >
> >
> > & so the new north south condo tripoints are
> > in the west
> > the sw corner of both said state & trapezoid
> > aka the existing triregional & tristate point with states of darfur & bahr al ghazal
> > specifically sd2nbsdwk
> > or north bahr & south darfur & west khurdufan familiarly
> > but in the east there is not an extant tripoint to land upon
> > so a totally new one is born
> > at the point where the bahr al arab leaves khurdufan
> >
> > so 3 cheers & general rejoicing for the worlds newest condo & her 2 tripoints
> > & their awesome but true & indeed worlds first cardinal pentamonoglyphs
> > the exceptional nnssw & nnsse respectively
> >
> >
> >
> > why
> >
> > because we can
> >
>