Just note that in the Ile de la Conférence/Ile des Faisans item, where they try to shed some light
on the confusion, they explain this confusion wrong, in my opinion. It says: "Il y a en fait 2 îles
: l'île des Faisans
proprement dite, située contre la rive française (seule île concernée par le condominium de 1856
malgré une confusion de l'art. 9) et l'île de la Conférence, plus petite, située au sud de la 1re et
au milieu de la rivière." The islands are identified correctly, but according to Descheemaeker, the
Ile de la Conférence is the condominium, not the Ile des Faisans, so the wrong part here is the part
in brackets. The confusion may have started centuries ago, when the little island probably was
called Ile des Faisans. Since then, this name was transferred to the bigger island north of it.
Anyway, the Ile des Faisans doesn't exist anymore (it is now part of a rather unattractive
industrial estate of the municipality of Hendaye/Hendaia), whereas the Ile de la Conférence is still
the condominium. That is where the monument is. The confusion caused by art. 9 of the treaty is
real, but it is the actual mentioning of the Ile des Faisans there that causes it.
The question of Ondarolle and the Pays Quint case, as well as the faceries, also mentioned on this
page, are also thoroughly investigated by Descheemaeker. No enclaves or condominia here, but very
interesting boundaries and boundary treaties.
Peter S.
Mats Hessman wrote:
> If you are interested in french territorial oddities,
> this is a good site to browse:
>
> http://communes.quid.fr/WEB/GEOPHYS/FR/Q016430.HTM
>
> Mats
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Peter Smaardijk [mailto:peter.smaardijk@...]
> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 14:05
> > To: mats@...
> > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Parisian enclave?
> >
> >
> > The city of Paris (which is a departement in it's own right)
> > owns the source of the river Seine. It
> > was bought in the 19th century. I wonder whether it's only a
> > question of property, or that this tiny
> > spot is actually a part of the departement Ville de Paris
> > (used to be called 'Seine', which explains
> > the departemental number 75, alphabetically wedged in between
> > Savoie (Haute) and Seine-Maritime). In
> > that case, it is yet another departemental enclave in France
> > (apart from the five Arif mentions on
> > his web site). If not, it is still a nice oddity. Does it
> > ressort under the Parisian public gardens
> > service? A long trip for mowing the lawn.
> >
> > http://www.canalplus.fr/html/ete97/bourgogne/st_germain.htm
> >
> > Peter S.
> >
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