Subject: Re: frederick md
Date: Nov 09, 2003 @ 18:45
Author: acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
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> Do you reckon the unscalably large boulder is the one responsiblefor
> the trifinium whirlpool at really high water?yes yes yes
> The fact that your sightline runs across a flat rock is veryawesome
> intriguing because I was told by some folks at the Harper's Ferry
> outdoor store in 1998, I think, that the top of a flat rock had been
> painted to mark the trifinium some years earlier and that the paint
> was visible through several feet of water.
> water was VERY high and not possible to check even by boat.However,
> a couple of years later I was there during very low water. You couldthis testimony puts the question even more urgently
> pretty much walk across the river.
> the large boulder, but checked the tops of other large rocks just inwas
> case. Didn't see any paint however. In any case, the paint mark
> an amateur work, not official.wrote:
>
> BJB
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "acroorca2002" <orc@o...>
> > yes indeed good pointall
> >
> > sometimes the subjective or even downright whimsical approach is
> > that is availablepoint
> > & why not
> > if this is in fact the best one can do or try or guess at any
> > in timemany
> >
> > & indeed several of us have tried this lovely mdvawv tripoint in
> > ways & at many timespix
> >
> > & it has always come down to extreme guesswork
> > til today
> > when i returned at dawn for my 7th visit
> > with the surveyors plats & detailed recovery instructions & even
> > of the state line markerslocation
> >
> > & because lots of things have changed at the busy highway
> > just above the tripoint since the vawv terminal markers were1997
> > installed there on both shoulders of the road at ground level in
> > even all this exquisite detail couldnt prevent me from digging adry
> > hole first thru a foot of miscellaneous gravelsposts
> > hahahahaha
> > before i actually measured rather than merely counted guardrail
> > depicted in the survey diagramof
> >
> > for i realized only then that a new post must have been installed
> > since 1997
> > or the draughtsman had miscounted
> > so my hole was actually one post too far west
> > hahahahaha
> > but then i did finally find the terminal mark under only a couple
> > inches of gravel right beside the next post to the east of thisone
> >marker
> >
> > so i had a point on vawv for the first time
> > yesss
> > rather than having to guess at the road seam or the usdi nps
> > or the highway departments concrete prism or various other redseveral to
> > herrings
> > all of which i can now report with confidence are at least
> > 35 feet into west virginiathe
> >
> > however
> > i still needed to find the second marker in order to determine
> > precise angle at which to proceed to the riverthat
> > & tho i again measured & searched & shoveled & moved large rocks
> > had since fallen from the clifftrying
> > i still couldnt find the second marker after several hours of
> > hahahahahaon
> >
> > the difficulty was that all the recovery instructions were based
> > things that had been changed or been paved over etc since theywere
> > writtenme
> > & the xerox of the photo wasnt suffiently readable either
> > & traffic was moving by too fast to measure things like the exact
> > distance from the road centerline etc etc
> > etc etc
> >
> > but no need to make excuses either because the survey plat showed
> > the correct angle i needed to proceed at was north 33 degrees eastprotractor
> >
> > & i was able to project this angle from the marker with a
> > probably no less accurately than if i had recovered the companionthe
> > line of sight marker itself
> >
> >
> > & then
> > i actually sighted at this angle
> >
> > & beheld mdvawv for the first time
> >
> >
> > & though i couldnt tell at exactly what point on my sight line
> > mean low water line that determines both the mdva & mdwv vectorsof
> > this tripoint would cross the sight linevastness &
> > i knew i had the target in view on one of its crosshairs
> > & could at least now venture a really good guess as to the exact
> > tripoint position
> > rather than continue to wonder as before where in all the
> > beauty it might actually be hanging outrocks
> >
> > the line of sight passes right across the tops of 3 prominent
> > all protruding from the water at this timebit
> > first
> > between the 2 ears of a towering unscalable boulder that looks a
> > like a standing bunnyelectrical
> > & then
> > between the 2 ears of a much lower domelike rock
> > & finally
> > across a large flat topped rock barely visible above water
> > before advancing into a reach of open water
> > where i gauged mdvawv must lie
> > wet now
> > but on the bank in time of drought
> >
> > & of course i made my pix
> > & approached the tripoint as close as i safely could
> > & marked the marker position on the guardrail with black
> > tape3-
> > & the correct angle with a second loop of tape very near the first
> > so future visitors will have the same data
> >
> > just remember to look for the 2 vertical black stripes on the
> > guardrail & you will get all the rest fairly directly
> >
> > & if anyone can recover the second marker before the next drought
> > all the better
> >
> > must yield computer now
> > more later
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "dcupopelilly"
> > <ronkessler@s...> wrote:
> > >
> > > I tried that point in September. For the VA-WV line, I found a
> > > inch white stripe near the edge of a rock that dropped aboutthree
> > > feet into the river at about the spot I figured the line to be.No
> > > idea about where this is relative to the low-water mark, but Itri-
> > > accepted the point where the line dropped off the rock as the
> > > point (no actual marker that I could see though).mdvawv
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "acroorca2002" <orc@o...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > tho it has just rained for 2 days here
> > > > i am still taking aim at mdvawv today
> > > > to at least examine the new alignments etc there against the
> > > blueprint
> > > > & behold for the first time the authoritative vawv terminal
> > sector
> > > as
> > > > it descends & reaches into the river toward a still unknown
> > > >
> > > > & no matter that the true trifinium
> > > > or low water point on that vawv line
> > > > can still only be guessed at
> > > >
> > > > my try will simply be for a truer class c look
> > > > & thus a better guess
> > > > than ever before