by jove
right you are jack
hahahah
& topozone makes it look like tishomingo is claiming only up to the end of
its usgs quad & no farther
hahaha
so we appear to have our first renegade interstate county &or its botched
but enhanced wet tripoint here
very nice
& yikes
there is likely to be a dry twin of it also at the southeast corner of that
quad
hahah
> michael, From the tripoint go about 9 miles upstream (southeast)
>along Lauderdale, AL - Tishamingo, MS counties to where the AL-MS
>line heads south. Now note the county markings south on the AL-MS line
>and east on the Lauderdale-Colbert county line. They've got a Tishimingo
>label over in AL. jack
> -----Original Message-----From: michael donner
>[mailto:m@...]Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 7:55 PMTo:
>BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [BoundaryPoint] nsw sa vic &
>almstnjack
> that is oddyou seem to be referring to the fragment brendan was
> talking about just upinside the mouth of bear creek therebut i am not
> positive you arenor that i even see the errorit only seems to me
> that the 25k map so clearly labels the counties rightthere on the
> fragment that the 100k map seems oblivious of them
> bycomparisonbut i think it is more of an illusion than it is a
> real mistakesince maps generally assume the reader will associate counties
> with thestates they are in & vice versabut maybe i still
> havent found the place you mean& i suppose there is a possibility
> one or the other of these 1984 maps arereflecting a boundary change made
> subsequent to the 1976 bus&ss descriptionsso i wonder if you can
> help me to see it better if i did miss itmpsalso
> please forgive the errors i introduced on page vi of your bookas you
> probably also realize by nowi meant wellbut as i recently
> learnedcrown waters can indeed be provincial just as well as
> federalonly we still dont know for sure yet exactly which are
> which> Michael, For an
> interesting sidenote to your discussion on almstn,>go southeast,
> upriver, from the tripoint. Note the map labelling
> error>where Tishamingo County, MS meets Colbert County, AL.
> There is a>section of the 1:100000 map where both
> Tishamingo and Colbert are applied>to the same area. The
> 1:25000 map does not have this error. Jack > -----Original
> Message-----From: michael donner (by way of
> jane>capellaro <j@...>)
> [mailto:m@...]Sent: Tuesday,>April 17, 2001
> 2:36 PMTo:
> BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.comSubject:>[BoundaryPoint] nsw sa vic &
> almstngood of you to> dish these data & map brendanthey
> really are worth> savoringthis is pickwick tva dam lake 1937it
> looks like the> usgs rightly feels responsible for preserving the
> memoryof these boundary> making river banksbut couldnt quite
> finish the job at the mouth of yellow> creekwhere we are left to
> deduce how your six 4pole chains aka 396 feet> fit inupriver of
> the invisible creek confluence & visible mstn> linebut i have
> checked it out & you are rightalso my own> further digging
> has just revealed a very simple & very dumbsolution to> the
> whole problembus&ss says the code of alabama saysaltn runs>
> westward along the southern boundary of tncrossing the tennessee>
> river & then peculiarly but>
> verbatim& on to second intersection >
> of said river by said linethe
> original> intention of & reason for this reference to the
> secondintersection was> obviously owing to the fact that the
> tennessee rivercrosses the 35th> parallel twice first
> near algatn & again at almstnbut> the wording can also be
> perversely read in this case to refer only tothe> second or lower
> of these two crossingswhere the second intersection of the> river
> by the line could then only meanthe left or western banksince>
> the first intersection of the river by the line there could only>
> haveoccurred at its right or eastern bankof course i>
> know every place a shape is intersected by a line
> there> arereally two line intersections both occurring
> along the outline of> the shapebut i doubt this geometric
> construction was ever intended by> anyone& so i would guess
> that it was only the happenchance of such> a perversereading that
> has more than anything else encouraged the altn> boundary
> tocontinue westward across the river & then for lack
> of> any better clue toscamper up the left bank to almstn
> without> disturbance or serious objectionfrom anyone but mein
> any> caseattached below is a pic of our trusty local informant
> & pilot> horace yearberturning about on the tristate
> pointwith the camera> pointing northwest to the rather impressive
> lake house ofloretta> lynn closest resident to
> almstnwhich stands very near the> first yellow creek left bank
> benchmark on the topobut for my> moneyalmstn is not so much a
> point as a gap or hole in> realitymps to davidbear creek &
> the fragment are> farther up the tennessee riverjust where the
> alms survey line comes up> from the south>>Interesting.
> Both the TnMs and TnAl> lines were menat to be at the
> 35th>parallel. But the Ms leg was defined> "from a point on
> the west bank of the>Tennessee River four six-pole> chains
> south, or above Yellow Creek... and>then ran west. This line
> was> slightly south of the 35th. IN Al, the estimate>of where
> the 35th was> was made near Elk River, in the middle of the
> AlTn>line. It was then> run east and west of thatp oint, but
> has a slight angling>to the NW and> SE, such that it is south
> of the 35th at the Ga border, and>north of> the 35th at the Ms
> border.>So instead of the two lines of southern Tn> meeting at
> the 35th, the Ms part>is a little south and the Al part al>
> ittle norht, fo a total error of about>a mil,e north south. Given
> that> the west bank of the Tn form the AlMs line>to the south,
> continuing the> line along the bank north seems
> reasonable,>rather than drawing a> straight line. A line
> diagonally across the river fomr>one bank to the> other would
> also seem logical, if out of keeping with NS and>EW> american
> lines, though looking again at themap, it would have been>
> more>NS than the current line following the river slightly W
> of> N.>>So who defined this 1 mile extra leg, and when? Is
> it> statuted?>>That theriver here has been dammed (when?)
> means the> line is no longer on a>bank, and created a little
> fragment of Al on the> Ms side of the line south>from Bear Ck,
> which was once no doubt all> land, and not
> lake.>>Interesitng that the USGS maps show the> original
> river banks down the>middleof
>the >lake.>>http://www.topozone.com/map.aspz=16&n=3870203&e=389129&size=l&symsho
>w=n>>>BW>>
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