Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] first try at a complete punctoscopy of canada
Date: Apr 17, 2001 @ 05:15
Author: Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
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>From: michael donner <m@...>_________________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] first try at a complete punctoscopy of canada
>Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:47:39 -0400
>
>good luck
>
>we have a practically identical situation at almstn
>except it seems to have been answered by fiat here
>
>a left bank alms line has simply been extended by the mapmakers down the
>left bank past the almstn tristate point to produce a short extralegal
>northsouth segment of the altn line
>which is however by statute an entirely eastwest line
>
>the similarly small legal gap occurring there might have been closed in a
>variety of ways
>but it seems as tho the flow of the river alone is what suggested the
>resolution & somehow carried the line in peoples minds where it had to go
>
>the usgs will not even take my questions about it seriously
>
>m
>
>
> >
> >Unwieldy was precisely the argument the Victorian high court judge used
> >against the idea that the top of the left bank of the murray is the
> >NSW/Victorian border. Which means a wharf starts in Victoria and extends
> >into NSW. But it turns out to be correct.
> >Austrlaia also has an undecided water body: the lenfgth of the Murray
>from
> >the NSW/SA boundary at 141deg east to the Vic/SA boundary which was meant
>to
> >be 141deg east, but ended up 2 miles too far west. Now as the NSW/Vic
> >boundary is the south bank of the Murray, where is the Vic/SA boundary
>for
> >the length of the Murray until it meets the main N-S part of the Vic-SA
> >border? No one knows. Topo maps state it is undefined.
> >The land north of that part of the urray is undoubtedly SA. The landd
>south
> >Vic. But what about the river? Does NSW continue dpown the river, between
> >top of the left and right banks? Does SA include the river? To the top of
> >the left bank, or only to the median lin,e or thalweg? Or does Vic own
>the
> >river?
> >
> >More next week.
> >
> >BW
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>
> >>Reply-To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> >>To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> >>Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] first try at a complete punctoscopy of
>canada
> >>Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:53:46 -0700 (PDT)
> >>
> >>Because it was tax season here, the computer was
> >>needed for tax preparation and I was thus lax at
> >>e-mailing or updating my page for the last month. It
> >>should most likely change.
> >>I want to put my two cents on the subject of Nunavut
> >>owning all of Hudson bay. Whatever the situation is,
> >>it is one of two improbable situations. So take a
> >>side on what you like. What we know is that all
> >>islands in Hudson, James and Ungava Bay belongs to
> >>Nunavut. Now if Michael is right, then all the island
> >>are enclaved in Canadian waters. Now that maybe
> >>technically correct, but have we thought of the
> >>consequences? Water level or silt buildup changes.
> >>What happens when a new island forms or an old island
> >>disappears. Does the enclave disappear only to maybe
> >>mystically reappear a few years later when water level
> >>changes again. Again that maybe technically correct,
> >>but I find that a little unwieldy. The other choice
> >>would be considering all water after the low tide
> >>level to be Nunavut. The problem there is that you
> >>could then technically dive from Ontario or Quebec
> >>land and land in Nunavut waters. Even weirder is the
> >>idea of a wet-dry tripoint existing near Killineq
> >>island. I know it is probably technically wrong, but
> >>I like the idea of picturing the whole area being
> >>Nunavut water. It is just so much easier to picture.
> >>Let the arguments begin.
> >> Arif
> >>
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