- enclaves on stamps
Another Nakhichevan issue on ebay, showing Kiarky. AND the seller is in Lithuania!
Sep 05, 2004 @ 01:41 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
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Is Kyarki part of Nakhichevan or is it a separate Azerbaijani exclave? I m guessing yes due to the close proximity, but would like to know for sure. Thanks
Sep 08, 2004 @ 04:56 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps
politically kyarki is part of the nakhichevan autonomous republic but of course topologically both kyarki & the greater chunk of nakhichevan are exclaves of
Sep 08, 2004 @ 05:38 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
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Ok cool. But we have 6 total exclaves, not 4. So it must be the 4 others which are non-Nakhichevan instead of 2.
Sep 08, 2004 @ 05:49 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
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yes of course if these 2 extra crumbs still really exist but what makes you all think so other than an old soviet map ...
Sep 08, 2004 @ 07:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
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http://home.pages.at/maxifant/Frames/armenien.htm http://home.pages.at/maxifant/Frames/karabakh.htm here you may find additional maps. regards, chris ... From:
Sep 08, 2004 @ 09:19 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
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thanx chris it is unclear if any of these people are credentialed in clavoscopy but regarding the 2 extra quasiclaves or maybeclaves that i just questioned not
Sep 08, 2004 @ 15:01 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
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Why would 14183 suggest that? ... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3495&i ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo!
Sep 11, 2004 @ 05:25 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
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because it indicates that the depiction of the clave borders in black on this map dates from the first printing in 1976 & that for whatever reason these claves
Sep 11, 2004 @ 07:26 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
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The fact that they were left alone and no purple annotations were made to them should tell you they continued unchanged. Just like everything else with no
Sep 12, 2004 @ 04:36 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
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... not necessarily if the claves were discontinued their borders couldnt & wouldnt have been redrawn but only eliminated or forgotten would the mapmakers have
Sep 12, 2004 @ 06:43 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
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... I the addition of a purple overprint was the only means of revision available, the cartographers would likely have added a text notation in purple that
Sep 12, 2004 @ 14:18 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
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thanx good idea specifically & good for the aspiring clavoscopist to be so diligent in any case but one cant presume the cartographers knew anything other than
Sep 12, 2004 @ 14:56 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
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You need to read what I wrote - I said purple ANNOTATIONS. If something changed it would have been noted on the map just like the other things that changed -
Sep 12, 2004 @ 19:59 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
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By the same token, the tripoint could have moved...maybe the cartogrophers just didn t know about it. The AMAZGE tripoint could have moved (or even ceased to
Sep 12, 2004 @ 20:16 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
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exactly you have finally hit it in your afterword here maestro & the tripoints sometimes do indeed move about etc so we only know for sure what was supposedly
Sep 12, 2004 @ 21:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
- Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
It s not a fantasy, it s common sense. The maps and borders were thoroughly done over in 1978. The claves were left as they were. You can t just assume
Sep 13, 2004 @ 02:03 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
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ah but now you appear to be deliberately misunderstanding as well as deliberately misrepresenting what i actually said & did my questioning what you believe &
Sep 13, 2004 @ 05:34 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
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Mike. Since you never write as a grown up, people misunderstand what you write. Period. Jesper ah but now you appear to be deliberately misunderstanding as
Sep 13, 2004 @ 05:43 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
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aha so that is what i never do aha i was wondering what i never do too well that explains everything thank you old boy ... what you write. Period. ... as
Sep 13, 2004 @ 06:07 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
- Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
I am not delusional. I am not misrepresenting what you say. You are just ignoring what you actually DID say. You refuse to read what I wrote or answer the
Sep 14, 2004 @ 00:21 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps
Map stamps are usually issued to press border claims - it takes too much deliberate work in creating a stamp showing an exclave for the reasoning human being
Sep 14, 2004 @ 02:30 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
- Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
Before interleaving my responses...when you say map stamps, do you mean the purple ink-stamped update on the 2 year old (in 1978) topomap or do you mean
Sep 14, 2004 @ 05:42 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
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ok len you cant be blamed for thinking we were talking about enclaves on stamps because the message title still does say enclaves on stamps even now oops but
Sep 14, 2004 @ 06:38 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
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hi, here is a little map with the tiny enclaves. and here again the link to the discussed site: http://www.home.pages.at/maxifant/Frames/armenien.htm i wrote
Sep 14, 2004 @ 08:38 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps
well put maestro another reason i thought you might have had for saying whether they have ever functioned as claves is unknown is that at the only time they
Sep 14, 2004 @ 14:10 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
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oh ohh i thought it was mike who found them anyway he seems well enough invested in them to have caught the ground floor at least but look how 1 or both of
Sep 14, 2004 @ 15:44 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
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Anytime you can t justify or back up your wild claims, you get caught up in semantic nit-picking, whining and avoiding the topic at hand. Instead of this why
Sep 14, 2004 @ 18:25 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
- Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
But of course the Kentucky bend or Liberty Island are no less claves, just because of a lack of people or physical demarcation etc. ...
Sep 14, 2004 @ 18:32 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
- Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
Is there evidence you have which would make you believe that the two enclaves south of Tatli no longer exist? The latest topomap brought to this group shows
Sep 14, 2004 @ 18:38 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
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Very well put. Yes, to answer a question put long ago , I did mean postage. LN
Sep 15, 2004 @ 00:45 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
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... fair question & i must answer no not any hard or direct evidence that would make me believe that but the fact that the countries involved have been at war
Sep 15, 2004 @ 02:29 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
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When I first read your post, I didn t think you meant postage, but the overlay/update. And I was perplexed because it seemed to me like you were making both
Sep 15, 2004 @ 03:48 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
- Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
Again, maybe if you didn t absolutely ignore messgaes 15388 and 15365, you would have seen me quote the specific passage of yours correctly. Once more here
Sep 15, 2004 @ 05:09 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps
... a clave in particular namely nagorno karabakh...???? Nagorno has never been a political enclave - never anything more more than an ethnic one coalesced
Sep 16, 2004 @ 01:12 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
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so many question marks so imperceptible a question so delirious a rant but here you can see the 4 more or less de jure azerbaijan political exclaves & the 1
Sep 16, 2004 @ 02:00 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
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You know, we could get some Azeri and Armenian stamps, put them on envelopes, address the envelopes to ourselves, and then send them inside envelopes we d send
Sep 16, 2004 @ 02:30 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
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good thinking maestro of course we would need someone like mike or peter who can write cyrillic but i would pay the postage due for the tatli maybeclaves ...
Sep 16, 2004 @ 02:35 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
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Mike, this doesn t really seem delirious or imperceptible. Nice job on finding a small scale map which of course couldn t show any other claves whether or not
Sep 16, 2004 @ 05:17 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
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yes good thinking & all 3 of your question marks are valid so we write our question to them in russky since they may indeed still understand it bravo or at
Sep 16, 2004 @ 14:00 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps
I can write cyrillic - I just need someone who knows in what order the letters go. LN
Sep 17, 2004 @ 00:28 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps
French is the international language of the world s postal services. I recommande you use it. LN
Sep 17, 2004 @ 00:36 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
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great because i already know that & indeed it is just the opposite of yiddish i am pretty sure they all keep right when they drive tho & i think toilets flush
Sep 17, 2004 @ 00:39 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
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good so then with cyrillic if not also russian plus english & now french we will have created a true rosetta stone & true polyphony too & i can write at least
Sep 17, 2004 @ 01:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
- Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
Where would you write? Still needs more specificity in terms of addressing. Call it a postal expedition perhaps. There may be a real expedtion there in a
Sep 17, 2004 @ 01:26 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps
ok mike this feels much better to me yet again thank you & wouldnt you know i actually had to cut off the bottom of your message again just now in order to add
Sep 17, 2004 @ 02:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
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... yes it is & please excuse the unavoidable interruption above & i have cut off the entire bottom of the message now so we have plenty of room to grow it
Sep 17, 2004 @ 03:37 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
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corrections ... the rayon of tatli is not qazax but agstafa with seat of government likely in the city of agstafa but perhaps better than any letter we could
Sep 17, 2004 @ 16:27 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
- Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
The Universal Postal Union has the official addressing standards of all nations on the web in English. You will find postal addressing standards for Armenia
Sep 17, 2004 @ 18:39 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps
in view of what the recent agstafa link says about the demise of the bigger claves in that neighborhood why seek the smaller ones now in any language it
Sep 17, 2004 @ 23:03 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps
confirmation of the demise of karki paragraph number 4 in http://bisnis.doc.gov/bisnis/country/981203az.htm
Sep 17, 2004 @ 23:09 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
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... Yes, that happened on January 13, 1990, according to the website of the embassy of Azerbaijan in China ( http://www.azerbembassy.org.cn/rus/back_chron.html
Sep 17, 2004 @ 23:36 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
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you can have your opinion & i dont mean to be argumentative but in fact de facto always trumps de jure everywhere & normally a new de jure will emerge from a
Sep 18, 2004 @ 00:21 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
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... Thanks. You can have yours, too. ... front ... direction I agree. Especially with your words normally , rarely . (By the way, the fact that de jure is
Sep 18, 2004 @ 11:13 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
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well put all people or at least normal people do sensibly prefer de jure to de facto & just as sensibly prefer de facto to an active military front in that
Sep 18, 2004 @ 14:16 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
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... international ... thats true tho what i meant by reconstituted is not just continued in a new format for that seems common enough but actually brought back
Sep 18, 2004 @ 22:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
- Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
(Not trimming anything.) But we will have to see about what happens as soon as I send this message. There were further experiments I wanted to perform using
Sep 19, 2004 @ 01:58 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
- Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
Ok this makes sense about maybeclaves. But about the tripoints - you re saying a multipoint can move around but presumtively still exist as long as the
Sep 19, 2004 @ 02:41 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
- Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
hi, maybe you can think of seborga. but i dot know about the status of seborga. here you will find information: www.seborga.net my problem with this: they dont
Sep 19, 2004 @ 08:04 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps
of course you are right & a spectacular catch it is tho any such perturbations as you describe in that particular area would be immediately sensed & noted by
Sep 19, 2004 @ 14:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
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lovely one & to think i once toodled right past it unawares & it would indeed qualify as reconstituted if it ever was or is in future recognized as independent
Sep 19, 2004 @ 14:41 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps
nor is this assessment contradicted by the palindrological analysis reported in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/6389 ... deliberately ...
Sep 19, 2004 @ 17:24 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
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Sep 21, 2004 @ 22:40 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps
With the Anschluß of Austria by Germany, Jungholz disappeared as the two countries became one; and then, after WWII, it reappeared. Now don t go splitting
Sep 22, 2004 @ 02:09 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps
still i must concede that is an extremely nice pene example & indeed our closest thing to a real example yet so it shouldnt just be dismissed out of hand even
Sep 22, 2004 @ 02:18 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
- Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
We have another one like Jungholz: Oecussi - East Timor, although this is not completely surrounded. Regards, Chris ... From: L. A. Nadybal To:
Sep 12, 2004 @ 20:52 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps
... Did Jungholz really disappear? The boundaries around Jungholz were no longer international ones - but that goes for all of ATDE. Dit Jungholz become part
Sep 22, 2004 @ 20:59 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps
huh
in what way is oecussi like jungholz
i dont get it
but i do get & agree with peters recent comment
even jungholz didnt actually die & get resurrected
Sep 22, 2004 @ 21:44 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
- Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
Hm, maybe im wrong, but wasnt it like indonesia occupied east timor and treated it as being a part of indonesia (or even worse)? And in this context one could
Sep 12, 2004 @ 22:07 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps
Pene-enclave can mean almost an enclave in the sense of the boundary lines almost come to a close but then widen back out. It can also mean almost an enclave,
Sep 23, 2004 @ 01:34 - mikekaufman79 ("mikekaufman79" <mikekaufman79@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps
Good point - it disappeared as an international level enclave, but was still an exclave of Land Tirol. Len
Sep 23, 2004 @ 01:55 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
- Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
If I understand what you re saying, I agree. From my point of view, Jungholz is an enclave. That single infinitely small point that connects Jungholz with the
Sep 23, 2004 @ 01:55 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps
Disappearing, reappearing and disappearing again is not as rare as you might think if you are willing to go back in history to exclaves no longer in existence
Sep 23, 2004 @ 01:58 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps
You wrote: From the second interpretation, it is a pene-enclave as it is not possible to reach Jungholz via the rest of Austria without ever leaving Austria.
Sep 23, 2004 @ 02:03 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
- Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
but no living thing satisfies this qualification. for if it were only one point wide, it would have not matter at all. ... __________________________________
Sep 23, 2004 @ 02:08 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps
... boundary ... also ... this & its various other ambiguities are why i avoid using that word myself ... lines ... the ... much an ... pene- ... yes of course
Sep 23, 2004 @ 02:11 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
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Sep 23, 2004 @ 02:14 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
- Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
First you talked of a pene example. Which could mean pene-enclave example as well as almost an example. So this is how it relates. Second, when I speak of
Sep 23, 2004 @ 02:27 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps
strut your stuff len
we are still looking for a first example of a resurrected dead clave
it could have died again
or many times
no problem
& it could be
Sep 23, 2004 @ 02:29 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
- Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
... You had to know that this was coming: What if Jungholz were separated from the rest of Austria by one foot of intervening German territory? You could
Sep 23, 2004 @ 03:58 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps
No, Jungholz was actually absorbed into the surrounding Reichsgau (Garmisch-Partenkirchen, I think, but I would have to look it up), and it was not part of the
Sep 23, 2004 @ 08:02 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps
... other, and ... other, just as ... German ... step across the ... atoms are ... of us ... boundary with ... a foot or a ... It just has ... I fully agree!
Sep 23, 2004 @ 08:11 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps
You re right! See http://www.verfassungen.de/de/de33-45/oesterreich38-5.htm (art.1, point 5) Peter ... and ... quadripoint... ... ... but was
Sep 23, 2004 @ 08:15 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps
... Sorry, not South Africa, obviously, but Zambia. Also, please read: ... and thus no common boundary between Botswana and Zambia as well as Namibia and
Sep 23, 2004 @ 09:47 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps
sharp shooting maestro & the closest thing yet reported to a truly resurrected truly dead true clave indeed the closest thing imaginable on all counts & thus
Sep 23, 2004 @ 12:32 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps
If you can cut something so thin that it has only one side, you can get it across the point from Junholz to mutterland Austria. The thing that goes across the
Sep 23, 2004 @ 23:34 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps
Is the point a place where there is true joint sovereignty? LN
Sep 23, 2004 @ 23:36 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps
I just came across a reference to this, too. At first blush, I think you are right...it may have fully disappeared for awhile. LN ... quadripoint... ...
Sep 24, 2004 @ 01:02 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
... OK smarty pants - here goes: this is Nr. 1. The Comtat Venaissin is limited by the rivers Rhône and Durance and the Mount Ventoux. It is named after its
Sep 24, 2004 @ 01:49 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
nice try arty pants but what is your source for the claims of actual demises in 1663 & 1668 & 1768 there were invasions for sure & possibly even military
Sep 24, 2004 @ 05:28 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps
you think he is right about what he says it did not disappear but continued to exist ... Reichsgau ... up), and ... its ... did still ... ...
Sep 24, 2004 @ 05:32 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
- Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
Yes but there is no such thing, living or not, that you could actually cut that thin. One molecule wide, one atom wide, one proton wide, one electron wide,
Sep 24, 2004 @ 05:39 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps
all multipoints are points of true joint sovereignty but they are just points rather than actually places they are located in places & they are often even
Sep 24, 2004 @ 05:39 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
often attacked but never sacked evidently because the papal palace itself was impregnable http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avignon#Avignon_under_the_Popes ... 1663
Sep 24, 2004 @ 11:25 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
- Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
Whoah! ha ha yes indeed - in a trigonometric sence a point is the 0th dimension. And yes of course nothing of any physical substance can pass from Jungolz to
Sep 24, 2004 @ 22:31 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps
There is a physical non-living form called a mobius strip that has only one side. Admittedly, it has two edges which might cause us difficulty, but it really
Sep 25, 2004 @ 02:48 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
I ll have to dig a little for my source, but I have it. I believe three three pieces were separate - Avignon perhaps wasn t sacked, but the other two
Sep 25, 2004 @ 02:51 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
- Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
The Möbius strip is still made up of substance that occupies space. Therefore, it can t pass through an infinitely small point. The unique loop of the
Sep 25, 2004 @ 03:31 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
your source could have been the same as the fotw site which appears to claim the same 4 demises for papal avignon as you did however misguidedly for
Sep 25, 2004 @ 14:06 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
I first heard of the place in my philatelic exploits, and later found that the papal exclave had its own coins. There is a book about them, Les monnaies du
Sep 26, 2004 @ 02:29 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
I found the right notes.... Here s the book that described the disappearance and re-emergences: Histoire des reunions temporaires d Avignon et du Comtat
Sep 26, 2004 @ 02:46 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
len these accounts & descriptions of supposed disappearances & reemergences of at least something or other & all your other exploits & suppositions & beliefs
Sep 26, 2004 @ 16:36 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avignon#Avignon_under_the_Popes & here is why http://www.ib.hu-berlin.de/~wumsta/Milkau/169-2.jpg yikes & this
Sep 27, 2004 @ 00:28 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
This is going to be a long to simmer back, burner kind of research. I ve only got my notes and some faded thremal paper photocopies... and I m not about to
Sep 27, 2004 @ 02:26 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
- Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
ok arty pants convinced yet too catholic encyclopedia citing your own source to the contrary notwithstanding well then go for it or rather i mean sit on it ...
Sep 27, 2004 @ 03:56 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
- not really Re: enclaves on stamps
whoah is right should we not think second dimension as much as first or zeroth & if not then why not the question if there really ever was a question is after
Sep 27, 2004 @ 03:59 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)