1. enclaves on stamps
    Another Nakhichevan issue on ebay, showing Kiarky. AND the seller is in Lithuania!
    Sep 05, 2004 @ 01:41 - Brendan Whyte (Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@...>)
  2. Re: [BoundaryPoint] enclaves on stamps
    Is Kyarki part of Nakhichevan or is it a separate Azerbaijani exclave? I m guessing yes due to the close proximity, but would like to know for sure. Thanks
    Sep 08, 2004 @ 04:56 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  3. Re: enclaves on stamps
    politically kyarki is part of the nakhichevan autonomous republic but of course topologically both kyarki & the greater chunk of nakhichevan are exclaves of
    Sep 08, 2004 @ 05:38 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  4. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    Ok cool. But we have 6 total exclaves, not 4. So it must be the 4 others which are non-Nakhichevan instead of 2.
    Sep 08, 2004 @ 05:49 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  5. Re: enclaves on stamps
    yes of course if these 2 extra crumbs still really exist but what makes you all think so other than an old soviet map ...
    Sep 08, 2004 @ 07:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  6. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    http://home.pages.at/maxifant/Frames/armenien.htm http://home.pages.at/maxifant/Frames/karabakh.htm here you may find additional maps. regards, chris ... From:
    Sep 08, 2004 @ 09:19 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
  7. Re: enclaves on stamps
    thanx chris it is unclear if any of these people are credentialed in clavoscopy but regarding the 2 extra quasiclaves or maybeclaves that i just questioned not
    Sep 08, 2004 @ 15:01 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  8. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    Why would 14183 suggest that? ... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3495&i ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo!
    Sep 11, 2004 @ 05:25 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  9. Re: enclaves on stamps
    because it indicates that the depiction of the clave borders in black on this map dates from the first printing in 1976 & that for whatever reason these claves
    Sep 11, 2004 @ 07:26 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  10. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    The fact that they were left alone and no purple annotations were made to them should tell you they continued unchanged. Just like everything else with no
    Sep 12, 2004 @ 04:36 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  11. Re: enclaves on stamps
    ... not necessarily if the claves were discontinued their borders couldnt & wouldnt have been redrawn but only eliminated or forgotten would the mapmakers have
    Sep 12, 2004 @ 06:43 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  12. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    ... I the addition of a purple overprint was the only means of revision available, the cartographers would likely have added a text notation in purple that
    Sep 12, 2004 @ 14:18 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  13. Re: enclaves on stamps
    thanx good idea specifically & good for the aspiring clavoscopist to be so diligent in any case but one cant presume the cartographers knew anything other than
    Sep 12, 2004 @ 14:56 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  14. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    You need to read what I wrote - I said purple ANNOTATIONS. If something changed it would have been noted on the map just like the other things that changed -
    Sep 12, 2004 @ 19:59 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  15. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    By the same token, the tripoint could have moved...maybe the cartogrophers just didn t know about it. The AMAZGE tripoint could have moved (or even ceased to
    Sep 12, 2004 @ 20:16 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  16. Re: enclaves on stamps
    exactly you have finally hit it in your afterword here maestro & the tripoints sometimes do indeed move about etc so we only know for sure what was supposedly
    Sep 12, 2004 @ 21:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  17. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    It s not a fantasy, it s common sense. The maps and borders were thoroughly done over in 1978. The claves were left as they were. You can t just assume
    Sep 13, 2004 @ 02:03 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  18. Re: enclaves on stamps
    ah but now you appear to be deliberately misunderstanding as well as deliberately misrepresenting what i actually said & did my questioning what you believe &
    Sep 13, 2004 @ 05:34 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  19. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    Mike. Since you never write as a grown up, people misunderstand what you write. Period. Jesper ah but now you appear to be deliberately misunderstanding as
    Sep 13, 2004 @ 05:43 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  20. Re: enclaves on stamps
    aha so that is what i never do aha i was wondering what i never do too well that explains everything thank you old boy ... what you write. Period. ... as
    Sep 13, 2004 @ 06:07 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  21. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    I am not delusional. I am not misrepresenting what you say. You are just ignoring what you actually DID say. You refuse to read what I wrote or answer the
    Sep 14, 2004 @ 00:21 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  22. Re: enclaves on stamps
    Map stamps are usually issued to press border claims - it takes too much deliberate work in creating a stamp showing an exclave for the reasoning human being
    Sep 14, 2004 @ 02:30 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  23. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    Before interleaving my responses...when you say map stamps, do you mean the purple ink-stamped update on the 2 year old (in 1978) topomap or do you mean
    Sep 14, 2004 @ 05:42 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  24. Re: enclaves on stamps
    ok len you cant be blamed for thinking we were talking about enclaves on stamps because the message title still does say enclaves on stamps even now oops but
    Sep 14, 2004 @ 06:38 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  25. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    hi, here is a little map with the tiny enclaves. and here again the link to the discussed site: http://www.home.pages.at/maxifant/Frames/armenien.htm i wrote
    Sep 14, 2004 @ 08:38 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
  26. Re: enclaves on stamps
    well put maestro another reason i thought you might have had for saying whether they have ever functioned as claves is unknown is that at the only time they
    Sep 14, 2004 @ 14:10 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  27. Re: enclaves on stamps
    oh ohh i thought it was mike who found them anyway he seems well enough invested in them to have caught the ground floor at least but look how 1 or both of
    Sep 14, 2004 @ 15:44 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  28. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    Anytime you can t justify or back up your wild claims, you get caught up in semantic nit-picking, whining and avoiding the topic at hand. Instead of this why
    Sep 14, 2004 @ 18:25 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  29. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    But of course the Kentucky bend or Liberty Island are no less claves, just because of a lack of people or physical demarcation etc. ...
    Sep 14, 2004 @ 18:32 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  30. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    Is there evidence you have which would make you believe that the two enclaves south of Tatli no longer exist? The latest topomap brought to this group shows
    Sep 14, 2004 @ 18:38 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  31. Re: enclaves on stamps
    Very well put. Yes, to answer a question put long ago , I did mean postage. LN
    Sep 15, 2004 @ 00:45 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  32. Re: enclaves on stamps
    ... fair question & i must answer no not any hard or direct evidence that would make me believe that but the fact that the countries involved have been at war
    Sep 15, 2004 @ 02:29 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  33. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    When I first read your post, I didn t think you meant postage, but the overlay/update. And I was perplexed because it seemed to me like you were making both
    Sep 15, 2004 @ 03:48 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  34. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    Again, maybe if you didn t absolutely ignore messgaes 15388 and 15365, you would have seen me quote the specific passage of yours correctly. Once more here
    Sep 15, 2004 @ 05:09 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  35. Re: enclaves on stamps
    ... a clave in particular namely nagorno karabakh...???? Nagorno has never been a political enclave - never anything more more than an ethnic one coalesced
    Sep 16, 2004 @ 01:12 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  36. Re: enclaves on stamps
    so many question marks so imperceptible a question so delirious a rant but here you can see the 4 more or less de jure azerbaijan political exclaves & the 1
    Sep 16, 2004 @ 02:00 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  37. Re: enclaves on stamps
    You know, we could get some Azeri and Armenian stamps, put them on envelopes, address the envelopes to ourselves, and then send them inside envelopes we d send
    Sep 16, 2004 @ 02:30 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  38. Re: enclaves on stamps
    good thinking maestro of course we would need someone like mike or peter who can write cyrillic but i would pay the postage due for the tatli maybeclaves ...
    Sep 16, 2004 @ 02:35 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  39. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    Mike, this doesn t really seem delirious or imperceptible. Nice job on finding a small scale map which of course couldn t show any other claves whether or not
    Sep 16, 2004 @ 05:17 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  40. Re: enclaves on stamps
    yes good thinking & all 3 of your question marks are valid so we write our question to them in russky since they may indeed still understand it bravo or at
    Sep 16, 2004 @ 14:00 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  41. Re: enclaves on stamps
    I can write cyrillic - I just need someone who knows in what order the letters go. LN
    Sep 17, 2004 @ 00:28 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  42. Re: enclaves on stamps
    French is the international language of the world s postal services. I recommande you use it. LN
    Sep 17, 2004 @ 00:36 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  43. Re: enclaves on stamps
    great because i already know that & indeed it is just the opposite of yiddish i am pretty sure they all keep right when they drive tho & i think toilets flush
    Sep 17, 2004 @ 00:39 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  44. Re: enclaves on stamps
    good so then with cyrillic if not also russian plus english & now french we will have created a true rosetta stone & true polyphony too & i can write at least
    Sep 17, 2004 @ 01:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  45. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    Where would you write? Still needs more specificity in terms of addressing. Call it a postal expedition perhaps. There may be a real expedtion there in a
    Sep 17, 2004 @ 01:26 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  46. Re: enclaves on stamps
    ok mike this feels much better to me yet again thank you & wouldnt you know i actually had to cut off the bottom of your message again just now in order to add
    Sep 17, 2004 @ 02:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  47. Re: enclaves on stamps
    ... yes it is & please excuse the unavoidable interruption above & i have cut off the entire bottom of the message now so we have plenty of room to grow it
    Sep 17, 2004 @ 03:37 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  48. Re: enclaves on stamps
    corrections ... the rayon of tatli is not qazax but agstafa with seat of government likely in the city of agstafa but perhaps better than any letter we could
    Sep 17, 2004 @ 16:27 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  49. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    The Universal Postal Union has the official addressing standards of all nations on the web in English. You will find postal addressing standards for Armenia
    Sep 17, 2004 @ 18:39 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  50. Re: enclaves on stamps
    in view of what the recent agstafa link says about the demise of the bigger claves in that neighborhood why seek the smaller ones now in any language it
    Sep 17, 2004 @ 23:03 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  51. Re: enclaves on stamps
    confirmation of the demise of karki paragraph number 4 in http://bisnis.doc.gov/bisnis/country/981203az.htm
    Sep 17, 2004 @ 23:09 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  52. Re: enclaves on stamps
    ... Yes, that happened on January 13, 1990, according to the website of the embassy of Azerbaijan in China ( http://www.azerbembassy.org.cn/rus/back_chron.html
    Sep 17, 2004 @ 23:36 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  53. Re: enclaves on stamps
    you can have your opinion & i dont mean to be argumentative but in fact de facto always trumps de jure everywhere & normally a new de jure will emerge from a
    Sep 18, 2004 @ 00:21 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  54. Re: enclaves on stamps
    ... Thanks. You can have yours, too. ... front ... direction I agree. Especially with your words normally , rarely . (By the way, the fact that de jure is
    Sep 18, 2004 @ 11:13 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  55. Re: enclaves on stamps
    well put all people or at least normal people do sensibly prefer de jure to de facto & just as sensibly prefer de facto to an active military front in that
    Sep 18, 2004 @ 14:16 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  56. Re: enclaves on stamps
    ... international ... thats true tho what i meant by reconstituted is not just continued in a new format for that seems common enough but actually brought back
    Sep 18, 2004 @ 22:05 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  57. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    (Not trimming anything.) But we will have to see about what happens as soon as I send this message. There were further experiments I wanted to perform using
    Sep 19, 2004 @ 01:58 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  58. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    Ok this makes sense about maybeclaves. But about the tripoints - you re saying a multipoint can move around but presumtively still exist as long as the
    Sep 19, 2004 @ 02:41 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  59. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    hi, maybe you can think of seborga. but i dot know about the status of seborga. here you will find information: www.seborga.net my problem with this: they dont
    Sep 19, 2004 @ 08:04 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
  60. Re: enclaves on stamps
    of course you are right & a spectacular catch it is tho any such perturbations as you describe in that particular area would be immediately sensed & noted by
    Sep 19, 2004 @ 14:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  61. Re: enclaves on stamps
    lovely one & to think i once toodled right past it unawares & it would indeed qualify as reconstituted if it ever was or is in future recognized as independent
    Sep 19, 2004 @ 14:41 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  62. Re: enclaves on stamps
    nor is this assessment contradicted by the palindrological analysis reported in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/6389 ... deliberately ...
    Sep 19, 2004 @ 17:24 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  63. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    will comment on all this soon when more time ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage!
    Sep 21, 2004 @ 22:40 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  64. Re: enclaves on stamps
    With the Anschluß of Austria by Germany, Jungholz disappeared as the two countries became one; and then, after WWII, it reappeared. Now don t go splitting
    Sep 22, 2004 @ 02:09 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  65. Re: enclaves on stamps
    still i must concede that is an extremely nice pene example & indeed our closest thing to a real example yet so it shouldnt just be dismissed out of hand even
    Sep 22, 2004 @ 02:18 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  66. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    We have another one like Jungholz: Oecussi - East Timor, although this is not completely surrounded. Regards, Chris ... From: L. A. Nadybal To:
    Sep 12, 2004 @ 20:52 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
  67. Re: enclaves on stamps
    ... Did Jungholz really disappear? The boundaries around Jungholz were no longer international ones - but that goes for all of ATDE. Dit Jungholz become part
    Sep 22, 2004 @ 20:59 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  68. Re: enclaves on stamps
    huh in what way is oecussi like jungholz i dont get it but i do get & agree with peters recent comment even jungholz didnt actually die & get resurrected
    Sep 22, 2004 @ 21:44 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  69. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    Hm, maybe im wrong, but wasnt it like indonesia occupied east timor and treated it as being a part of indonesia (or even worse)? And in this context one could
    Sep 12, 2004 @ 22:07 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
  70. Re: enclaves on stamps
    Pene-enclave can mean almost an enclave in the sense of the boundary lines almost come to a close but then widen back out. It can also mean almost an enclave,
    Sep 23, 2004 @ 01:34 - mikekaufman79 ("mikekaufman79" <mikekaufman79@...>)
  71. Re: enclaves on stamps
    Good point - it disappeared as an international level enclave, but was still an exclave of Land Tirol. Len
    Sep 23, 2004 @ 01:55 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  72. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    If I understand what you re saying, I agree. From my point of view, Jungholz is an enclave. That single infinitely small point that connects Jungholz with the
    Sep 23, 2004 @ 01:55 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  73. Re: enclaves on stamps
    Disappearing, reappearing and disappearing again is not as rare as you might think if you are willing to go back in history to exclaves no longer in existence
    Sep 23, 2004 @ 01:58 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  74. Re: enclaves on stamps
    You wrote: From the second interpretation, it is a pene-enclave as it is not possible to reach Jungholz via the rest of Austria without ever leaving Austria.
    Sep 23, 2004 @ 02:03 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  75. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    but no living thing satisfies this qualification. for if it were only one point wide, it would have not matter at all. ... __________________________________
    Sep 23, 2004 @ 02:08 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  76. Re: enclaves on stamps
    ... boundary ... also ... this & its various other ambiguities are why i avoid using that word myself ... lines ... the ... much an ... pene- ... yes of course
    Sep 23, 2004 @ 02:11 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  77. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    This is what I mean by pene-enclave in the second sense. ... _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today!
    Sep 23, 2004 @ 02:14 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  78. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    First you talked of a pene example. Which could mean pene-enclave example as well as almost an example. So this is how it relates. Second, when I speak of
    Sep 23, 2004 @ 02:27 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  79. Re: enclaves on stamps
    strut your stuff len we are still looking for a first example of a resurrected dead clave it could have died again or many times no problem & it could be
    Sep 23, 2004 @ 02:29 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  80. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    ... You had to know that this was coming: What if Jungholz were separated from the rest of Austria by one foot of intervening German territory? You could
    Sep 23, 2004 @ 03:58 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  81. Re: enclaves on stamps
    No, Jungholz was actually absorbed into the surrounding Reichsgau (Garmisch-Partenkirchen, I think, but I would have to look it up), and it was not part of the
    Sep 23, 2004 @ 08:02 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
  82. Re: enclaves on stamps
    ... other, and ... other, just as ... German ... step across the ... atoms are ... of us ... boundary with ... a foot or a ... It just has ... I fully agree!
    Sep 23, 2004 @ 08:11 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
  83. Re: enclaves on stamps
    You re right! See http://www.verfassungen.de/de/de33-45/oesterreich38-5.htm (art.1, point 5) Peter ... and ... quadripoint... ... ... but was
    Sep 23, 2004 @ 08:15 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  84. Re: enclaves on stamps
    ... Sorry, not South Africa, obviously, but Zambia. Also, please read: ... and thus no common boundary between Botswana and Zambia as well as Namibia and
    Sep 23, 2004 @ 09:47 - Anton Zeilinger ("Anton Zeilinger" <anton_zeilinger@...>)
  85. Re: enclaves on stamps
    sharp shooting maestro & the closest thing yet reported to a truly resurrected truly dead true clave indeed the closest thing imaginable on all counts & thus
    Sep 23, 2004 @ 12:32 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  86. Re: enclaves on stamps
    If you can cut something so thin that it has only one side, you can get it across the point from Junholz to mutterland Austria. The thing that goes across the
    Sep 23, 2004 @ 23:34 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  87. Re: enclaves on stamps
    Is the point a place where there is true joint sovereignty? LN
    Sep 23, 2004 @ 23:36 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  88. Re: enclaves on stamps
    I just came across a reference to this, too. At first blush, I think you are right...it may have fully disappeared for awhile. LN ... quadripoint... ...
    Sep 24, 2004 @ 01:02 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  89. Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
    ... OK smarty pants - here goes: this is Nr. 1. The Comtat Venaissin is limited by the rivers Rhône and Durance and the Mount Ventoux. It is named after its
    Sep 24, 2004 @ 01:49 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  90. Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
    nice try arty pants but what is your source for the claims of actual demises in 1663 & 1668 & 1768 there were invasions for sure & possibly even military
    Sep 24, 2004 @ 05:28 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  91. Re: enclaves on stamps
    you think he is right about what he says it did not disappear but continued to exist ... Reichsgau ... up), and ... its ... did still ... ...
    Sep 24, 2004 @ 05:32 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  92. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    Yes but there is no such thing, living or not, that you could actually cut that thin. One molecule wide, one atom wide, one proton wide, one electron wide,
    Sep 24, 2004 @ 05:39 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  93. Re: enclaves on stamps
    all multipoints are points of true joint sovereignty but they are just points rather than actually places they are located in places & they are often even
    Sep 24, 2004 @ 05:39 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  94. Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
    often attacked but never sacked evidently because the papal palace itself was impregnable http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avignon#Avignon_under_the_Popes ... 1663
    Sep 24, 2004 @ 11:25 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  95. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    Whoah! ha ha yes indeed - in a trigonometric sence a point is the 0th dimension. And yes of course nothing of any physical substance can pass from Jungolz to
    Sep 24, 2004 @ 22:31 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  96. Re: enclaves on stamps
    There is a physical non-living form called a mobius strip that has only one side. Admittedly, it has two edges which might cause us difficulty, but it really
    Sep 25, 2004 @ 02:48 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  97. Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
    I ll have to dig a little for my source, but I have it. I believe three three pieces were separate - Avignon perhaps wasn t sacked, but the other two
    Sep 25, 2004 @ 02:51 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  98. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
    The Möbius strip is still made up of substance that occupies space. Therefore, it can t pass through an infinitely small point. The unique loop of the
    Sep 25, 2004 @ 03:31 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  99. Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
    your source could have been the same as the fotw site which appears to claim the same 4 demises for papal avignon as you did however misguidedly for
    Sep 25, 2004 @ 14:06 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  100. Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
    I first heard of the place in my philatelic exploits, and later found that the papal exclave had its own coins. There is a book about them, Les monnaies du
    Sep 26, 2004 @ 02:29 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  101. Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
    I found the right notes.... Here s the book that described the disappearance and re-emergences: Histoire des reunions temporaires d Avignon et du Comtat
    Sep 26, 2004 @ 02:46 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  102. Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
    len these accounts & descriptions of supposed disappearances & reemergences of at least something or other & all your other exploits & suppositions & beliefs
    Sep 26, 2004 @ 16:36 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  103. Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
    ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avignon#Avignon_under_the_Popes & here is why http://www.ib.hu-berlin.de/~wumsta/Milkau/169-2.jpg yikes & this
    Sep 27, 2004 @ 00:28 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  104. Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
    This is going to be a long to simmer back, burner kind of research. I ve only got my notes and some faded thremal paper photocopies... and I m not about to
    Sep 27, 2004 @ 02:26 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  105. Re: enclaves on stamps - struttin
    ok arty pants convinced yet too catholic encyclopedia citing your own source to the contrary notwithstanding well then go for it or rather i mean sit on it ...
    Sep 27, 2004 @ 03:56 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  106. not really Re: enclaves on stamps
    whoah is right should we not think second dimension as much as first or zeroth & if not then why not the question if there really ever was a question is after
    Sep 27, 2004 @ 03:59 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)