Subject: Re: enclaves on stamps
Date: Sep 14, 2004 @ 02:30
Author: L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
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> I am not delusional. I am not misrepresenting what
> you say. You are just ignoring what you actually DID
> say. You refuse to read what I wrote or answer the
> questions I have posed to you specifically.
> Again read what you wrote: "& i certainly cant prove
> the negative rather it is the job of the clavoscopist
> to prove the affirmative" This is tantamount to
> assuming guilty until proven innocent. Guilty until
> proven innocent mentality? - Now THAT'S delusional...
> If you cast doubt on these 2 claves as of 1978, cast
> doubt on everything you see.
> Reread message 15122 - there is no need to dress up
> like a superhero. :)
>
> --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
>
> > ah but now you appear to be deliberately
> > misunderstanding as
> > well as deliberately misrepresenting what i actually
> > said & did
> >
> > my questioning what you believe & claim exists
> > & even my wondering out loud if anyone has seen any
> > evidence
> > of it at any time in the past quarter of a century
> > for starters
> > is not the same as assuming it no longer exists
> >
> > nor the same as saying it doesnt exist
> >
> > let alone as wanting it not to exist
> >
> >
> > you are not even close on any of the above
> >
> >
> > for this is not me mike
> > nor my reasoning
> > but only your specific self delusions about me & it
> >
> >
> > & such is the grandeur of your delusions that you
> > are even
> > reckoning them common sense now
> >
> > but i just dont share any of this sense with you in
> > common
> >
> > indeed my vote is of no consensus & no confidence in
> > any of
> > what you are now saying about me
> > or about anything here below
> >
> > & you only grow more delirious as you go
> >
> > a map
> > & the representations on it
> > like all other data
> > are never thorough
> > but are always selective & necessarily partial
> >
> > as well as dated
> >
> > & often just plain wrong besides
> >
> > & thinking they necessarily arent could be the
> > mother of all
> > delusion
> > as of all your specific delusions here
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael
> > Kaufman
> > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > It's not a fantasy, it's common sense. The maps
> > and
> > > borders were thoroughly done over in 1978. The
> > claves
> > > were left as they were. You can't just assume
> > > something goes away because you yourself want it
> > to go
> > > away. What real evidence do you have saying they
> > no
> > > longer exist?
> > > By your reasoning, anyone could say that the other
> > 4
> > > exclaves no longer exist either because they
> > haven't
> > > been "heard from" since the date of the last map
> > > showing them. If that is 2002 (hypothetically),
> > does
> > > that mean we should question whether they've
> > existed
> > > for the last 2 years? (No.)
> > >
> > > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > exactly
> > > > you have finally hit it in your afterword here
> > > > maestro
> > > >
> > > > & the tripoints sometimes do indeed move about
> > etc
> > > > so we only know for sure what was supposedly
> > true at
> > > > the time
> > > > they were last visited &or reported etc
> > > > so i absolutely agree with you about the
> > tripoints &
> > > > claves equally
> > > >
> > > > & thats one reason for & benefit of reporting on
> > > > them repeatedly
> > > >
> > > > & you have proved these particular crumbs
> > existed
> > > > circa 1976 &
> > > > possibly as recently as 1978
> > > > tho i believe your logic is still questionable
> > there
> > > > in msg 15345
> > > > hahaha
> > > > however unworth questioning just to reduce by 2
> > the
> > > > 28 years
> > > > during which i still do believe they havent been
> > > > heard from
> > > >
> > > > & in the meantime whole governments & nation
> > states
> > > > have
> > > > come & gone ferociously several times all thru
> > there
> > > > which do in fact now recognize & mention all the
> > > > well known
> > > > classmates of these maybeclaves but have
> > apparently
> > > > never
> > > > mentioned these crumbs during at least 26 of
> > these
> > > > 28 years
> > > >
> > > > so i am content to believe them real as of 1976
> > or
> > > > maybe 1978
> > > > & looking forward to more & fresher data
> > > > via whatever aspiring clavoscopist provides it
> > > >
> > > > & i have just been responding to your claim in
> > > > message 15272
> > > > of what you think we have
> > > > by telling you i know we once had them but i
> > > > seriously question if
> > > > we still have them
> > > >
> > > > i am not stuck in your fantasy tho
> > > >
> > > > & anyway time will tell
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael
> > > > Kaufman
> > > > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > > By the same token, the tripoint could have
> > > > > moved...maybe the cartogrophers just didn't
> > know
> > > > about
> > > > > it. The AMAZGE tripoint could have moved (or
> > even
> > > > > ceased to exist!) - it's just that it wasn't
> > shown
> > > > or
> > > > > said, "if something isnt shown or said it
> > only
> > > > means
> > > > > it wasnt shown or said not that it was or
> > wasnt a
> > > > > fact."
> > > > >
> > > > > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > thanx
> > > > > > good idea specifically
> > > > > > & good for the aspiring clavoscopist to be
> > so
> > > > > > diligent in any case
> > > > > >
> > > > > > but one cant presume the cartographers knew
> > > > anything
> > > > > > other
> > > > > > than what they actually drew or wrote
> > > > > >
> > > > > > if something isnt shown or said
> > > > > > it only means it wasnt shown or said
> > > > > > not that it was or wasnt a fact
> > > > > > & not that anyone had any specific inkling
> > about
> > > > it
> > > > > > or even any
> > > > > > general awareness of it
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > "Lowell G.
> > > > > > McManus"
> > > > > > <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Mike D. asked:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > if the claves were discontinued
> > > > > > > > their borders couldnt & wouldnt have
> > been
> > > > > > redrawn but only
> > > > > > > > eliminated or forgotten
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > would the mapmakers have just scrawled a
> > big
> > > > > > purple cross
> > > > > > > > over each clave to let us know in that
> > case
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > or exactly how would they redraw
> > something
> > > > that
> > > > > > had
> > > > > > completely
> > > > > > > > vanished
> > > > > > > > short of erasing it
> > > > > > > > which they couldnt do
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I the addition of a purple overprint was
> > the
> > > > only
> > > > > > means of
> > > > > > revision available,
> > > > > > > the cartographers would likely have added
> > a
> > > > text
> > > > > > notation in
> > > > > > purple that
> > > > > > > such-and-such claves no longer existed. I
> > > > suggest
> > > > > > that you go
> > > > > > back and check
> > > > > > > the margins and legend of the map for such
> > > > purple
> > > > > > text.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lowell G. McManus
> > > > > > > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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