often attacked but never sacked
evidently because the papal palace itself was impregnable
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avignon#Avignon_under_the_Popes
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BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak"
<aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> nice try
> arty pants
> but what is your source for the claims of actual demises in
1663
> & 1668 & 1768
>
> there were invasions for sure
> & possibly even military occupations in these years &or others
> i would not disagree
>
> but all these encyclopedias & others
> http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/C/ComtatV1e.asp
> http://reference.allrefer.com/encyclopedia/C/ComtatVe.html
> http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Comtat-Venaissin
> agree that this clave actually remained under papal control
> continuously between 1274 & 1791
> & that its only actual political demise occurred in 1791
>
> perhaps there is room for a difference of opinion in this case
> depending on the particulars of the invasions &or occupations
> of which i am admittedly unaware
> but i havent found any hard evidence of the demises you claim
>
> anyway
> please carry on
> if you can
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "L. A. Nadybal"
> <lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak"
> <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > strut your stuff len
> >
> > OK "smarty pants" - here goes: this is Nr. 1.
> >
> > The Comtat Venaissin is limited by the rivers Rhône and
> Durance and
> > the Mount Ventoux. It is named after its former capital city
> Venasque
> > (Vindascinum), now a village of about 600 inhabitants.
> >
> > In the XIIIth century, the Comtat Venaissin belonged to
> Alphonse de
> > Poitiers (1220-1271), a Capetian prince, son of king of
France
> Louis
> > VIII. Some authorities say it was ceded to the pope in 1218
by
> > Raymond VII, count of Toulouse. Alphonse (or Philip the
> Bold??)
> > bequeathed (or ceded??)the Comtat to the Holy See, which
> incorporated
> > it in 1274. On 19 June 1348, countess Jeanne (1326-1382),
> better known
> > as queen Jeanne de Naples, sold Avignon to pope Clement
VI,
> who
> > incorporated it into Comtat. Avignon and the Comtat
Venaissin
> then
> > formed the 'Papal enclave', which developed independently
> from France.
> > The enclave, which was geographically detached from other
> parts of
> > the Papal states, itself had an exclave to its east called
> "Darbous".
> >
> > The economical and cultural development of the enclave
> encouraged the
> > kings of France to attempt to grab it. The enclave was taken
> over by
> > the French in 1663, again in 1668 and yet again between
> 1768-1774. In
> > 1791, the bourgeois and the merchants of Avignon promoted
> the
> > incorporation of the enclave to France, which was effective on
> 14
> > September 1791. The Holy See recognized the annexion only
> in 1814.
> >
> > So, here we have an enclave and it's satellite exclave that
> "came and
> > went" at least three times.
> >
> > For a map - see my site:
> >
>
http://exclave.info/former/papalstates/papalfrance/papalfrance.ht
> ml