Before interleaving my responses...when you say "map
stamps," do you mean the purple ink-stamped update on
the 2 year old (in 1978) topomap or do you mean
postage?

--- "L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...> wrote:

> Map stamps are usually issued to press border claims
> - it takes too
> much deliberate work in creating a stamp showing an
> exclave for the
> reasoning human being to think that what is pictured
> on map stamps
> doesn't exist (or didn't when issued). What's on
> new stamps (and
> these are relatively new) does exist in the mind of
> the stamp issuing
> party, and you can be certain that in the mind of
> the issuer, it
> "hasn't been 20-odd years since it was last heard
> of". Your logic is
> like like saying Columbus hadn't "heard of" the
> Americas prior to
> 1492, and therefore, it wasn't there or that it was
> and had gone away
> at some earlier point in time if it had ever been
> there. Nihilist
> philosophy. The Indians who greeted Columbus on his
> arrival were
> there - they'd been hearing of exclave America for
> quite some time.
> LN
>
>
>
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael
> Kaufman
> <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > I am not delusional. I am not misrepresenting
> what
> > you say. You are just ignoring what you actually
> DID
> > say. You refuse to read what I wrote or answer
> the
> > questions I have posed to you specifically.
> > Again read what you wrote: "& i certainly cant
> prove
> > the negative rather it is the job of the
> clavoscopist
> > to prove the affirmative" This is tantamount to
> > assuming guilty until proven innocent. Guilty
> until
> > proven innocent mentality? - Now THAT'S
> delusional...
> > If you cast doubt on these 2 claves as of 1978,
> cast
> > doubt on everything you see.
> > Reread message 15122 - there is no need to dress
> up
> > like a superhero. :)
> >
> > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> >
> > > ah but now you appear to be deliberately
> > > misunderstanding as
> > > well as deliberately misrepresenting what i
> actually
> > > said & did
> > >
> > > my questioning what you believe & claim exists
> > > & even my wondering out loud if anyone has seen
> any
> > > evidence
> > > of it at any time in the past quarter of a
> century
> > > for starters
> > > is not the same as assuming it no longer exists
> > >
> > > nor the same as saying it doesnt exist
> > >
> > > let alone as wanting it not to exist
> > >
> > >
> > > you are not even close on any of the above
> > >
> > >
> > > for this is not me mike
> > > nor my reasoning
> > > but only your specific self delusions about me &
> it
> > >
> > >
> > > & such is the grandeur of your delusions that
> you
> > > are even
> > > reckoning them common sense now
> > >
> > > but i just dont share any of this sense with you
> in
> > > common
> > >
> > > indeed my vote is of no consensus & no
> confidence in
> > > any of
> > > what you are now saying about me
> > > or about anything here below
> > >
> > > & you only grow more delirious as you go
> > >
> > > a map
> > > & the representations on it
> > > like all other data
> > > are never thorough
> > > but are always selective & necessarily partial
> > >
> > > as well as dated
> > >
> > > & often just plain wrong besides
> > >
> > > & thinking they necessarily arent could be the
> > > mother of all
> > > delusion
> > > as of all your specific delusions here
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael
> > > Kaufman
> > > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > It's not a fantasy, it's common sense. The
> maps
> > > and
> > > > borders were thoroughly done over in 1978.
> The
> > > claves
> > > > were left as they were. You can't just assume
> > > > something goes away because you yourself want
> it
> > > to go
> > > > away. What real evidence do you have saying
> they
> > > no
> > > > longer exist?
> > > > By your reasoning, anyone could say that the
> other
> > > 4
> > > > exclaves no longer exist either because they
> > > haven't
> > > > been "heard from" since the date of the last
> map
> > > > showing them. If that is 2002
> (hypothetically),
> > > does
> > > > that mean we should question whether they've
> > > existed
> > > > for the last 2 years? (No.)
> > > >
> > > > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > exactly
> > > > > you have finally hit it in your afterword
> here
> > > > > maestro
> > > > >
> > > > > & the tripoints sometimes do indeed move
> about
> > > etc
> > > > > so we only know for sure what was supposedly
> > > true at
> > > > > the time
> > > > > they were last visited &or reported etc
> > > > > so i absolutely agree with you about the
> > > tripoints &
> > > > > claves equally
> > > > >
> > > > > & thats one reason for & benefit of
> reporting on
> > > > > them repeatedly
> > > > >
> > > > > & you have proved these particular crumbs
> > > existed
> > > > > circa 1976 &
> > > > > possibly as recently as 1978
> > > > > tho i believe your logic is still
> questionable
> > > there
> > > > > in msg 15345
> > > > > hahaha
> > > > > however unworth questioning just to reduce
> by 2
> > > the
> > > > > 28 years
> > > > > during which i still do believe they havent
> been
> > > > > heard from
> > > > >
> > > > > & in the meantime whole governments & nation
> > > states
> > > > > have
> > > > > come & gone ferociously several times all
> thru
> > > there
> > > > > which do in fact now recognize & mention all
> the
> > > > > well known
> > > > > classmates of these maybeclaves but have
> > > apparently
> > > > > never
> > > > > mentioned these crumbs during at least 26 of
> > > these
> > > > > 28 years
> > > > >
> > > > > so i am content to believe them real as of
> 1976
> > > or
> > > > > maybe 1978
> > > > > & looking forward to more & fresher data
> > > > > via whatever aspiring clavoscopist provides
> it
> > > > >
> > > > > & i have just been responding to your claim
> in
> > > > > message 15272
> > > > > of what you think we have
> > > > > by telling you i know we once had them but i
> > > > > seriously question if
> > > > > we still have them
> > > > >
> > > > > i am not stuck in your fantasy tho
> > > > >
> > > > > & anyway time will tell
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> Michael
> > > > > Kaufman
> > > > > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > By the same token, the tripoint could have
> > > > > > moved...maybe the cartogrophers just
> didn't
> > > know
> > > > > about
> > > > > > it. The AMAZGE tripoint could have moved
> (or
> > > even
> > > > > > ceased to exist!) - it's just that it
> wasn't
> > > shown
> > > > > or
> > > > > > said, "if something isnt shown or said it
> > > only
> > > > > means
> > > > > > it wasnt shown or said not that it was or
> > > wasnt a
> > > > > > fact."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > thanx
> > > > > > > good idea specifically
> > > > > > > & good for the aspiring clavoscopist to
> be
> > > so
> > > > > > > diligent in any case
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > but one cant presume the cartographers
> knew
> > > > > anything
> > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > than what they actually drew or wrote
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > if something isnt shown or said
> > > > > > > it only means it wasnt shown or said
> > > > > > > not that it was or wasnt a fact
> > > > > > > & not that anyone had any specific
> inkling
> > > about
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > or even any
> > > > > > > general awareness of it
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > "Lowell G.
> > > > > > > McManus"
> > > > > > > <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Mike D. asked:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > if the claves were discontinued
> > > > > > > > > their borders couldnt & wouldnt have
> > > been
> > > > > > > redrawn but only
> > > > > > > > > eliminated or forgotten
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > would the mapmakers have just
> scrawled a
> > > big
> > > > > > > purple cross
> > > > > > > > > over each clave to let us know in
> that
> > > case
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > or exactly how would they redraw
> > > something
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > had
> > > > > > > completely
> > > > > > > > > vanished
> > > > > > > > > short of erasing it
> > > > > > > > > which they couldnt do
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I the addition of a purple overprint
> was
> > > the
> > > > > only
> > > > > > > means of
> > > > > > > revision available,
> > > > > > > > the cartographers would likely have
> added
> > > a
> > > > > text
> > > > > > > notation in
> > > > > > > purple that
> > > > > > > > such-and-such claves no longer
> existed. I
> > > > > suggest
> > > > > > > that you go
> > > > > > > back and check
> > > > > > > > the margins and legend of the map for
> such
> > > > > purple
> > > > > > > text.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Lowell G. McManus
> > > > > > > > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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