Is the point a place where there is true joint sovereignty?
LN
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael Kaufman
<mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> First you talked of a pene example. Which could mean
> "pene-enclave example" as well as "almost an example."
> So this is how it relates.
> Second, when I speak of the practical sense I mean you
> can not access Jungholz from the rest of Austria with
> the whole of your body staying in Austria. You can't
> go down the mountain that way anyway.
>
> --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
>
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > "mikekaufman79"
> > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > Pene-enclave can mean almost an enclave in the
> > sense of the
> > boundary
> > > lines almost come to a close but then widen back
> > out. It can
> > also
> > > mean almost an enclave, meaning practical
> > inaccessibility.
> >
> > this & its various other ambiguities are why i avoid
> > using that
> > word myself
> >
> > > From the first interpretation, Jungholz is every
> > bit as much an
> > > enclave as it is not an enclave (but yes a
> > geographical pene-
> > > enclave). You can draw an infinite amount of
> > uninterrupted
> > lines
> > > through the quadripoint from Austria to Austria,
> > but you can do
> > the
> > > same from Germany to Germany.
> > > Now of course you can say that something which is
> > just as
> > much an
> > > enclave as it is a pene-enclave in and of it self
> > means it's a
> > pene-
> > > enclave.
> >
> > yes of course you can
> > but why actually say it
> >
> > & what does it mean
> >
> > & can you relate it to any of the discussion
> >
> > > From the second interpretation, it is a
> > pene-enclave as it is not
> > > possible to reach Jungholz via the rest of Austria
> > without ever
> > > leaving Austria. Since it is one point wide on
> > top of a mountain.
> >
> > forgive me
> > i am not trying to be cloudy
> > & i see lowell thinks he may see & agree with this
> > so i will at least stand by for clearance
> > but this too makes no sense to me
> >
> > if you simply move across the quadripoint position
> > wherever it is actually located
> > you are in fact partly reaching one part of austria
> > before fully
> > leaving the other
> > & it is impossible not to do so
> >
> > & you are especially reaching one part of germany
> > without
> > leaving the other
> > since germany has only one contiguous part there
> > anyway by any
> > definition
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak"
> > <aletheiak@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > still i must concede
> > > > that is an extremely nice pene example
> > > > & indeed our closest thing to a real example yet
> > > > so it shouldnt just be dismissed out of hand
> > > > even if it might be rationalized away as somehow
> > exceptional
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "L. A.
> > Nadybal"
> > > > <lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> > > > > With the Anschluß of Austria by Germany,
> > Jungholz
> > > > disappeared as the
> > > > > two countries became one; and then, after
> > WWII, it
> > reappeared.
> > > > Now
> > > > > don't go splitting hairs about it being "only"
> > a pene-. I know,
> > I
> > > > > know, I know.
> > > > >
> > > > > LN
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > "aletheiak"
> > > > <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Peter
> >
> > Smaardijk"
> > > > > > <smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > it is unlikely that defunct claves would
> > ever be
> > > deliberately
> > > > > > > > reconstituted if it could be avoided
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > rather the general drift is almost
> > entirely in the
> > opposite
> > > > > > > direction
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Baarle-Hertog was once just a set of
> > > > > > > provincial enclaves. But they
> > reconstituted those as
> > > > > > international
> > > > > > > ones when Belgium became independent.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thats true
> > > > > > tho what i meant by reconstituted
> > > > > > is not just continued in a new format
> > > > > > for that seems common enough
> > > > > > but actually brought back from extinction
> > > > > >
> > > > > > & i cant think of a single instance of this
> > at the moment
> > > > > >
> > > > > > can anyone
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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