good
so then with cyrillic if not also russian
plus english & now french
we will have created a true rosetta stone & true polyphony too
& i can write at least fractured french too
so i could provide that part if we dont have someone better for it
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "L. A. Nadybal"
<lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> French is the international language of the world's postal
services.
> I "recommande" you use it.
> LN
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak"
<aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > yes good thinking
> > & all 3 of your question marks are valid
> >
> > so we write our question to them in russky
> > since they may indeed still understand it
> >
> > bravo
> >
> > or at least they may be able to find someone who does
> >
> > & this would show no favoritism between armenian &
azerbaijani
> > as if we could understand either
> >
> > but of course we write it in anglo too
> >
> > since we can
> >
> > & since this is also sometimes the lingua franca or rosetta
> > just in case they really do need a translation
> >
> > but i think the envelope should be addressed in cyrillic
> > to give it the best chance of being understood by the post
lady or
> > man in the street who matters most to this literary expedition
> >
> >
> > btw
> > it is an expedition to the local head of govt in tatli
> > dont you think
> >
> > or what do you think
> >
> >
> > & as for resuming disputations & remonstrances
> >
> > as i indicated last time i wrote back to you
> > i am easy & complete if you would assume all the assuming
you
> > would like to assume here
> >
> > i assume nothing
> > let alone conclude or claim anything
> >
> > as a punctoscopist
> > i am just predisposed to best available truth
> >
> > as a clavoscopist
> > i am a happy slob
> >
> > as a synoroscopist
> > & thats really greek to me
> > i am just a border freak like anyone else
> >
> > & rather than begin or resume posturing & declaiming with
you
> > about nothing
> > i will simply offer & endeavor to answer frankly your any fair &
> > simple question
> > & even perhaps fresh question
> >
> > as we did last time we spoke
> > tho i already forgot the message number
> > & as we normally do
> >
> > that was already feeling a lot better
> >
> >
> >
> > & you can outmessagecite me any day pal
> >
> > we already know you can outstack me
> >
> >
> > & i would punctuate that with a smiley many times
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael Kaufman
> > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > Mike, this doesn't really seem delirious or
> > > imperceptible.
> > > Nice job on finding a small scale map which of course
> > > couldn't show any other claves whether or not it
> > > wanted to.
> > > Still waiting for the responses to 15388. Maybe
> > > you've also ignored 15405 in addition to 15388 and
> > > 15365. :)
> > > Cyrillic is only part of what you would need to know.
> > > Azerbaijani used it for quite awhile but is now
> > > "officially" back to Latin characters. Though of
> > > course this decade or so long transition is slow, as
> > > many transitions are. So the Cyrillic script could
> > > likely be fine, but you still need to know the
> > > language. And of course Armenian uses its own script,
> > > plus you need to know that language too. Depending on
> > > which villages you want to send this stuff to. Unless
> > > you are suggesting we use Russian???
> > >
> > > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > so many question marks
> > > >
> > > > so imperceptible a question
> > > >
> > > > so delirious a rant
> > > >
> > > > but here you can see the 4 more or less de jure
> > > > azerbaijan
> > > > political exclaves & the 1 more or less de jure
> > > > armenia political
> > > > exclave currently acknowledged by the cia
> > > > clavoscopist at least
> > > >
> > >
> >
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/commonwealth/armenia_pol_20
> > > > 02.jpg
> > > >
> > > > & here you can see the ethnic & de facto political
> > > > armenian
> > > > exclave of nagorno karabakh
> > > >
> > >
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/commonwealth/azerbaijan.gif
> > > > which armenia has occupied since the 1994 cease fire
> > > >
> > > > along with some 16 percent of the rest of azerbaijan
> > > > territory
> > > > in areas unspecified by the cia & not indicated here
> > > > in outline
> > > > but likely adjacent to nagorno karabakh &or to de
> > > > jure armenia
> > > >
> > > > in other words
> > > > the places where the present effectivities of one
> > > > country end &
> > > > those of the other begin are actually unknown by us
> > > >
> > > > & there are in fact multiple question marks
> > > > along their several effective borders
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "L. A.
> > > > Nadybal"
> > > > <lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> > > > > "... a clave in particular namely nagorno
> > > > karabakh...????
> > > > Nagorno
> > > > > has never been a political enclave - never
> > > > anything more more
> > > > than an
> > > > > ethnic one coalesced by force with a couple of
> > > > pockets of the
> > > > "other
> > > > > side's people" still in it. Countries composed
> > > > "of, by and for"
> > > > only
> > > > > one founding ethnic group are "out", if you hadn't
> > > > heard - they
> > > > are
> > > > > despised, not to be recognized. Being "out" is
> > > > why we have the
> > > > demise
> > > > > of European nation states that are losing their
> > > > characters as
> > > > homes
> > > > > for the communal protection of Germans alone in
> > > > the case of
> > > > Germany,
> > > > > as is the case for Denmark as a home for Danish
> > > > alone, and
> > > > as in the
> > > > > case of London was as a capital for the British
> > > > alone, etc. As
> > > > these
> > > > > countries are infiltrated by immigrants who flee
> > > > their home
> > > > countries
> > > > > rather than organize and fight for good
> > > > government, the return,
> > > > for
> > > > > example, of a Spain under the Moors within which
> > > > the
> > > > "Spanish" become
> > > > > like "Nagornos" isn't hard to contemplate.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > LN
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak"
> > > > <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael
> > > > Kaufman
> > > > > > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Is there evidence you have which would make
> > > > you
> > > > > > > believe that the two enclaves south of Tatli
> > > > no longer
> > > > > > > exist?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > fair question
> > > > > > & i must answer no
> > > > > > not any hard or direct evidence that would
> > > > > > make
> > > > > > me
> > > > > > believe
> > > > > > that
> > > > > >
> > > > > > but the fact that the countries involved have
> > > > been at war with
> > > > > > each other since even before the soviet collapse
> > > > > > & the fact that so much of the fighting has been
> > > > over their
> > > > > > boundaries in general & the possession of a
> > > > clave in
> > > > particular
> > > > > > namely nagorno karabakh
> > > > > > where nobody even knows who owns what any longer
> > > > > > or at least i dont know
> > > > > > all leads me to be at least a little circumspect
> > > > about
> > > > presuming
> > > > > > indefinite continuation of any particular detail
> > > > of the status
> > > > quo
> > > > > > ante 1988 anywhere in the greater amaz area
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The latest topomap brought to this group shows
> > > > > > > them there. No one in this group has shown any
> > > > kind
> > > > > > > of international treaty or official accord
> > > > suggesting
> > > > > > > otherwise (to this point). Brendan earlier
> > > > brought a
> > > > > > > very nice piece to us from the Serb embassy
> > > > discussing
> > > > > > > the Sastavci enclave, for example. So if
> > > > someone had
> > > > > > > something like that to share that would be
> > > > good and
> > > > > > > helpful.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > yes good idea
> > > > > >
> > > > > > some evidence
> > > > > >
> > > > > > any evidence
> > > > > >
> > > > > > &or anything just very nice or helpful to share
> > > > > >
> > > > > > yes that might well be plenty too
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Or if someone has a new official topomap
> > > > > > > that would be helpful. Or at least anything
> > > > other
> > > > > > > than "well I can't prove they don't exist but
> > > > I
> > > > > > > challenge you to prove they do hahahaha."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > yikes
> > > > > > i think i see what has happened here
> > > > > > improbable as it is
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i actually did say something other than that in
> > > > message
> > > > 15333
> > > > > > to which your quotation of me here apparently
> > > > refers
> > > > > > but i said it as follows
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > quote
> > > > > > i certainly cant prove the negative
> > > > > >
> > > > > > rather it is the job of the clavoscopist to
> > > > prove the positive
> > > > > > close quote
> > > > > >
> > > > > > if i may say it again just that way
> > > > > >
> > > > > > rather than the way you have put it between
> > > > quotation marks
> > > > here
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > unless you were taking liberties with a
> > > > different passage of
> > > > mine
> > > > > > i can no longer even recognize from your
> > > > supposed quotation
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > but did you just need me to say this one a
> > > > little differently
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > is that what you mean by
> > > > > > at least anything other than
> > > > > > your misrepresentation of it
> > > > > >
> > > > > > well then how is this
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i only think the clavoscopist
> > > > > > whether that is me or you or whoever aspires to
> > > > be one
> > > > > > has this job or function or role of actually
> > > > seeing the clave
> > > > > > because this word in plain barbarian just means
> > > > > > the person who sees the clave
> > > > > >
> > > > > > & job is too loaded a word for bp anyway
> > > > > > so i will be glad to say something other than
> > > > that too
> > > > > >
> > > > > > better to say play or honors or move or caper
> > > > > > or something more like that anyway
> > > > > >
> > > > > > because for me this is just an extremely light
> > > > game
> > > > > > & i really cant & dont take any of it including
> > > > myself very
> > > > heavily
> > > > > >
> > > > > > not that i blame anyone who does
> > > > > > but it is just fun with me
> > > > > >
> > > > > > as i have been saying since message 4
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > so let me take the opportunity to correct myself
> > > > while saying
> > > > at
> > > > > > least anything other than i actually said
> > > > > > as well as at least anything other than you said
> > > > i said
> > > > > >
> > > > > > here goes
> > > > > >
> > > > > > pay attention now
> > > > > >
> > > > > > it is the
> > > > > > p l a y
> > > > > > of the clavoscopist to prove the positive
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But again,
> > > > > > > lacking (at least collectively in BP context)
> > > > any of
> > > > > > > this evidence to suggest the claves no longer
> > > > exist,
> > > > > > > there's no reason to assume by default that
> > > > they don't
> > > > > > > exist.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i agree
> > > > > > & i dont think i have assumed they dont exist
> > > > > > do you
> > > > > >
> > > > > > do you assume by default i have assumed they
> > > > dont exist
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i believe i have been entirely unassuming in
> > > > this matter
> > > > > >
> > > > > > but i will let you assume even more of the
> > > > assuming if you
> > > > wish
> > > > > >
> > > > > > complete
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ok len you cant be blamed for thinking we
> > > > were
> > > > > > > > talking about
> > > > > > > > enclaves on stamps because the message title
> > > > still
> > > > > > > > does say
> > > > > > > > enclaves on stamps
> > > > > > > > even now
> > > > > > > > oops
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > but the claves we were discussing in the
> > > > text you
> > > > > > > > have added to
> > > > > > > > here are not the ones on the stamps that the
> > > > thread
> > > > > > > > began with
> > > > > > > > & that you probably still have in mind
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > rather these claves are not on any stamps at
> > > > all
> > > > > > > > that we know of
> > > > > > > > but only on a 1976 &or 1978 map
> > > > > > > > so far as we know
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > & i dont believe there is any question of
> > > > nihilism
> > > > > > > > or any other sort
> > > > > > > > of denial here
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > rather we were only following up on what i
> > > > think
> > > > > > > > chris or
> > > > > > > > someone else had previously & i think very
> > > > sensibly
> > > > > > > > said of
> > > > > > > > these maybeclaves
> > > > > > > > namely
> > > > > > > > ob sie je eine reale rolle gespielt haben
> > > > ist
> > > > > > > > unbekannt
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > or in plain barbarian
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > whether they
> > > > > > > > e v e r
> > > > > > > > actually functioned as claves
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > unknown
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > evidently a healthy agnosticism rather than
> > > > any
> > > > > > > > nihilism there
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > & mike
> > > > > > > > when the banter gets so shrill as this
> > > > > > > > dont you worry the turtle might stick his
> > > > head up
> > > > > > > > from his mozart
> > > > > > > > again as he last did in message 13685
> > > > > > > > hahahahaha
> > > > > > > > i can just see him asking us to cancel his
> > > > > > > > subscription again
> > > > > > > > hahaha
> > > > > > > > certainly one of our funniest moments
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > but anyway i still really dont follow you
> > > > here
> > > > > > > > so please just tell me
> > > > > > > > quietly & simply if possible
> > > > > > > > exactly what i am ignoring that i did say
> > > > > > > > & exactly which of your writings i am
> > > > refusing to
> > > > > > > > read
> > > > > > > > so i can at least consider or reconsider
> > > > what you
> > > > > > > > mean
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > & i dont think any of us is guilty of
> > > > anything
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > but i do think we are all super heroes
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > in fact i am sure of it
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > we are all positively divine
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "L. A.
> > > > > > > > Nadybal"
> > > > > > > > <lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Map stamps are usually issued to press
> > > > border
> > > > > > > > claims - it
> > > > > > > > takes too
> > > > > > > > > much deliberate work in creating a stamp
> > > > showing
> > > > > > > > an exclave
> > > > > > > > for the
> > > > > > > > > reasoning human being to think that what
> > > > is
> > > > > > > > pictured on map
> > > > > > > > stamps
> > > > > > > > > doesn't exist (or didn't when issued).
> > > > What's on
> > > > > > > > new stamps
> > > > > > > > (and
> > > > > > > > > these are relatively new) does exist in
> > > > the mind
> > > > > > > > of the stamp
> > > > > > > > issuing
> > > > > > > > > party, and you can be certain that in the
> > > > mind of
> > > > > > > > the issuer, it
> > > > > > > > > "hasn't been 20-odd years since it was
> > > > last heard
> > > > > > > > of". Your
> > > > > > > > logic is
> > > > > > > > > like like saying Columbus hadn't "heard
> > > > of" the
> > > > > > > > Americas prior
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > 1492, and therefore, it wasn't there or
> > > > that it
> > > > > > > > was and had gone
> > > > > > > > away
> > > > > > > > > at some earlier point in time if it had
> > > > ever been
> > > > > > > > there. Nihilist
> > > > > > > > > philosophy. The Indians who greeted
> > > > Columbus on
> > > > > > > > his arrival
> > > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > > there - they'd been hearing of exclave
> > > > America for
> > > > > > > > quite some
> > > > > > > > time.
> > > > > > > > > LN
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > Michael
> > > > > > > > Kaufman
> > > > > > > > > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I am not delusional. I am not
> > > > misrepresenting
> > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > > you say. You are just ignoring what you
> > > > > > > > actually DID
> > > > > > > > > > say. You refuse to read what I wrote or
> > > > answer
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > questions I have posed to you
> > > > specifically.
> > > > > > > > > > Again read what you wrote: "& i
> > > > certainly cant
> > > > > > > > prove
> > > > > > > > > > the negative rather it is the job of the
> > > > > > > > clavoscopist
> > > > > > > > > > to prove the affirmative" This is
> > > > tantamount to
> > > > > > > > > > assuming guilty until proven innocent.
> > > > Guilty
> > > > > > > > until
> > > > > > > > > > proven innocent mentality? - Now THAT'S
> > > > > > > > delusional...
> > > > > > > > > > If you cast doubt on these 2 claves as
> > > > of 1978,
> > > > > > > > cast
> > > > > > > > > > doubt on everything you see.
> > > > > > > > > > Reread message 15122 - there is no need
> > > > to dress
> > > > > > > > up
> > > > > > > > > > like a superhero. :)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > ah but now you appear to be
> > > > deliberately
> > > > > > > > > > > misunderstanding as
> > > > > > > > > > > well as deliberately misrepresenting
> > > > what i
> > > > > > > > actually
> > > > > > > > > > > said & did
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > my questioning what you believe &
> > > > claim exists
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > & even my wondering out loud if anyone
> > > > has
> > > > > > > > seen any
> > > > > > > > > > > evidence
> > > > > > > > > > > of it at any time in the past quarter
> > > > of a
> > > > > > > > century
> > > > > > > > > > > for starters
> > > > > > > > > > > is not the same as assuming it no
> > > > longer
> > > > > > > > exists
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > nor the same as saying it doesnt exist
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > let alone as wanting it not to exist
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > you are not even close on any of the
> > > > above
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > for this is not me mike
> > > > > > > > > > > nor my reasoning
> > > > > > > > > > > but only your specific self delusions
> > > > about me
> > > > > > > > & it
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > & such is the grandeur of your
> > > > delusions that
> > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > are even
> > > > > > > > > > > reckoning them common sense now
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > but i just dont share any of this
> > > > sense with
> > > > > > > > you in
> > > > > > > > > > > common
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > indeed my vote is of no consensus & no
> > > > > > > > confidence in
> > > > > > > > > > > any of
> > > > > > > > > > > what you are now saying about me
> > > > > > > > > > > or about anything here below
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > & you only grow more delirious as you
> > > > go
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > a map
> > > > > > > > > > > & the representations on it
> > > > > > > > > > > like all other data
> > > > > > > > > > > are never thorough
> > > > > > > > > > > but are always selective & necessarily
> > > > partial
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > as well as dated
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > & often just plain wrong besides
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > & thinking they necessarily arent
> > > > could be the
> > > > > > > > > > > mother of all
> > > > > > > > > > > delusion
> > > > > > > > > > > as of all your specific delusions here
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > Michael
> > > > > > > > > > > Kaufman
> > > > > > > > > > > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > It's not a fantasy, it's common
> > > > sense. The
> > > > > > > > maps
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > borders were thoroughly done over in
> > > > 1978.
> > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > > claves
> > > > > > > > > > > > were left as they were. You can't
> > > > just
> > > > > > > > assume
> > > > > > > > > > > > something goes away because you
> > > > yourself
> > > > > > > > want it
> > > > > > > > > > > to go
> > > > > > > > > > > > away. What real evidence do you
> > > > have saying
> > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > > > > longer exist?
> > > > > > > > > > > > By your reasoning, anyone could say
> > > > that the
> > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > 4
> > > > > > > > > > > > exclaves no longer exist either
> > > > because they
> > > > > > > > > > > haven't
> > > > > > > > > > > > been "heard from" since the date of
> > > > the last
> > > > > > > > map
> > > > > > > > > > > > showing them. If that is 2002
> > > > > > > > (hypothetically),
> > > > > > > > > > > does
> > > > > > > > > > > > that mean we should question whether
> > > > they've
> > > > > > > > > > > existed
> > > > > > > > > > > > for the last 2 years? (No.)
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > exactly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > you have finally hit it in your
> > > > afterword
> > > > > > > > here
> > > > > > > > > > > > > maestro
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > & the tripoints sometimes do
> > > > indeed move
> > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > etc
> > > > > > > > > > > > > so we only know for sure what was
> > > > > > > > supposedly
> > > > > > > > > > > true at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the time
> > > > > > > > > > > > > they were last visited &or
> > > > reported etc
> > > > > > > > > > > > > so i absolutely agree with you
> > > > about the
> > > > > > > > > > > tripoints &
> > > > > > > > > > > > > claves equally
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > & thats one reason for & benefit
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > reporting on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > them repeatedly
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > & you have proved these particular
> > > > crumbs
> > > > > > > > > > > existed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > circa 1976 &
> > > > > > > > > > > > > possibly as recently as 1978
> > > > > > > > > > > > > tho i believe your logic is still
> > > > > > > > questionable
> > > > > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > > > > > in msg 15345
> > > > > > > > > > > > > hahaha
> > > > > > > > > > > > > however unworth questioning just
> > > > to reduce
> > > > > > > > by 2
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 28 years
> > > > > > > > > > > > > during which i still do believe
> > > > they
> > > > > > > > havent been
> > > > > > > > > > > > > heard from
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > & in the meantime whole
> > > > governments &
> > > > > > > > nation
> > > > > > > > > > > states
> > > > > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > come & gone ferociously several
> > > > times all
> > > > > > > > thru
> > > > > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > > > > > which do in fact now recognize &
> > > > mention
> > > > > > > > all the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > well known
> > > > > > > > > > > > > classmates of these maybeclaves
> > > > but have
> > > > > > > > > > > apparently
> > > > > > > > > > > > > never
> > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned these crumbs during at
> > > > least 26
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 28 years
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > so i am content to believe them
> > > > real as of
> > > > > > > > 1976
> > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe 1978
> > > > > > > > > > > > > & looking forward to more &
> > > > fresher data
> > > > > > > > > > > > > via whatever aspiring clavoscopist
> > > > > > > > provides it
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > & i have just been responding to
> > > > your
> > > > > > > > claim in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > message 15272
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of what you think we have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > by telling you i know we once had
> > > > them but
> > > > > > > > i
> > > > > > > > > > > > > seriously question if
> > > > > > > > > > > > > we still have them
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > i am not stuck in your fantasy tho
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > & anyway time will tell
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > > > > Michael
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kaufman
> > > > > > > > > > > > > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the same token, the tripoint
> > > > could
> > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved...maybe the cartogrophers
> > > > just
> > > > > > > > didn't
> > > > > > > > > > > know
> > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. The AMAZGE tripoint could
> > > > have
> > > > > > > > moved (or
> > > > > > > > > > > even
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ceased to exist!) - it's just
> > > > that it
> > > > > > > > wasn't
> > > > > > > > > > > shown
> > > > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > said, "if something isnt shown
> > > > or said
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > > > > means
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it wasnt shown or said not that
> > > > it was
> > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > wasnt a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good idea specifically
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & good for the aspiring
> > > > clavoscopist
> > > > > > > > to be
> > > > > > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > diligent in any case
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but one cant presume the
> > > > cartographers
> > > > > > > > knew
> > > > > > > > > > > > > anything
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than what they actually drew
> > > > or wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if something isnt shown or
> > > > said
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it only means it wasnt shown
> > > > or said
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not that it was or wasnt a
> > > > fact
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & not that anyone had any
> > > > specific
> > > > > > > > inkling
> > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or even any
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general awareness of it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > > > > > > > "Lowell G.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > McManus"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike D. asked:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if the claves were
> > > > discontinued
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their borders couldnt &
> > > > wouldnt
> > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > been
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redrawn but only
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eliminated or forgotten
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would the mapmakers have
> > > > just
> > > > > > > > scrawled a
> > > > > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > purple cross
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over each clave to let us
> > > > know in
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > case
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or exactly how would they
> > > > redraw
> > > > > > > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vanished
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short of erasing it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which they couldnt do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I the addition of a purple
> > > > overprint
> > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > revision available,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the cartographers would
> > > > likely have
> > > > > > > > added
> > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > text
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notation in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > purple that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such-and-such claves no
> > > > longer
> > > > > > > > existed. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > suggest
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you go
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back and check
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the margins and legend of
> > > > the map
> > > > > > > > for such
> > > > > > > > > > > > > purple
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > text.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lowell G. McManus
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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