Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on stamps
Date: Sep 14, 2004 @ 00:21
Author: Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
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> ah but now you appear to be deliberately__________________________________
> misunderstanding as
> well as deliberately misrepresenting what i actually
> said & did
>
> my questioning what you believe & claim exists
> & even my wondering out loud if anyone has seen any
> evidence
> of it at any time in the past quarter of a century
> for starters
> is not the same as assuming it no longer exists
>
> nor the same as saying it doesnt exist
>
> let alone as wanting it not to exist
>
>
> you are not even close on any of the above
>
>
> for this is not me mike
> nor my reasoning
> but only your specific self delusions about me & it
>
>
> & such is the grandeur of your delusions that you
> are even
> reckoning them common sense now
>
> but i just dont share any of this sense with you in
> common
>
> indeed my vote is of no consensus & no confidence in
> any of
> what you are now saying about me
> or about anything here below
>
> & you only grow more delirious as you go
>
> a map
> & the representations on it
> like all other data
> are never thorough
> but are always selective & necessarily partial
>
> as well as dated
>
> & often just plain wrong besides
>
> & thinking they necessarily arent could be the
> mother of all
> delusion
> as of all your specific delusions here
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael
> Kaufman
> <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > It's not a fantasy, it's common sense. The maps
> and
> > borders were thoroughly done over in 1978. The
> claves
> > were left as they were. You can't just assume
> > something goes away because you yourself want it
> to go
> > away. What real evidence do you have saying they
> no
> > longer exist?
> > By your reasoning, anyone could say that the other
> 4
> > exclaves no longer exist either because they
> haven't
> > been "heard from" since the date of the last map
> > showing them. If that is 2002 (hypothetically),
> does
> > that mean we should question whether they've
> existed
> > for the last 2 years? (No.)
> >
> > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> >
> > > exactly
> > > you have finally hit it in your afterword here
> > > maestro
> > >
> > > & the tripoints sometimes do indeed move about
> etc
> > > so we only know for sure what was supposedly
> true at
> > > the time
> > > they were last visited &or reported etc
> > > so i absolutely agree with you about the
> tripoints &
> > > claves equally
> > >
> > > & thats one reason for & benefit of reporting on
> > > them repeatedly
> > >
> > > & you have proved these particular crumbs
> existed
> > > circa 1976 &
> > > possibly as recently as 1978
> > > tho i believe your logic is still questionable
> there
> > > in msg 15345
> > > hahaha
> > > however unworth questioning just to reduce by 2
> the
> > > 28 years
> > > during which i still do believe they havent been
> > > heard from
> > >
> > > & in the meantime whole governments & nation
> states
> > > have
> > > come & gone ferociously several times all thru
> there
> > > which do in fact now recognize & mention all the
> > > well known
> > > classmates of these maybeclaves but have
> apparently
> > > never
> > > mentioned these crumbs during at least 26 of
> these
> > > 28 years
> > >
> > > so i am content to believe them real as of 1976
> or
> > > maybe 1978
> > > & looking forward to more & fresher data
> > > via whatever aspiring clavoscopist provides it
> > >
> > > & i have just been responding to your claim in
> > > message 15272
> > > of what you think we have
> > > by telling you i know we once had them but i
> > > seriously question if
> > > we still have them
> > >
> > > i am not stuck in your fantasy tho
> > >
> > > & anyway time will tell
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael
> > > Kaufman
> > > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > By the same token, the tripoint could have
> > > > moved...maybe the cartogrophers just didn't
> know
> > > about
> > > > it. The AMAZGE tripoint could have moved (or
> even
> > > > ceased to exist!) - it's just that it wasn't
> shown
> > > or
> > > > said, "if something isnt shown or said it
> only
> > > means
> > > > it wasnt shown or said not that it was or
> wasnt a
> > > > fact."
> > > >
> > > > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > thanx
> > > > > good idea specifically
> > > > > & good for the aspiring clavoscopist to be
> so
> > > > > diligent in any case
> > > > >
> > > > > but one cant presume the cartographers knew
> > > anything
> > > > > other
> > > > > than what they actually drew or wrote
> > > > >
> > > > > if something isnt shown or said
> > > > > it only means it wasnt shown or said
> > > > > not that it was or wasnt a fact
> > > > > & not that anyone had any specific inkling
> about
> > > it
> > > > > or even any
> > > > > general awareness of it
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> "Lowell G.
> > > > > McManus"
> > > > > <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> > > > > > Mike D. asked:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > if the claves were discontinued
> > > > > > > their borders couldnt & wouldnt have
> been
> > > > > redrawn but only
> > > > > > > eliminated or forgotten
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > would the mapmakers have just scrawled a
> big
> > > > > purple cross
> > > > > > > over each clave to let us know in that
> case
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > or exactly how would they redraw
> something
> > > that
> > > > > had
> > > > > completely
> > > > > > > vanished
> > > > > > > short of erasing it
> > > > > > > which they couldnt do
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I the addition of a purple overprint was
> the
> > > only
> > > > > means of
> > > > > revision available,
> > > > > > the cartographers would likely have added
> a
> > > text
> > > > > notation in
> > > > > purple that
> > > > > > such-and-such claves no longer existed. I
> > > suggest
> > > > > that you go
> > > > > back and check
> > > > > > the margins and legend of the map for such
> > > purple
> > > > > text.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lowell G. McManus
> > > > > > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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