whoah is right
should we not think second dimension as much as first or zeroth
& if not
then why not
the question
if there really ever was a question
is
after all
about third dimensional passages across the border cross point
so why not address the second dimension too
upon which any third dimensional object will have to pass
& as you observe
2dimensional germany major touches itself there at the border
cross point
but 2dimensional austria major touches not itself there but only
austria minor
so the two situations are quite distinct
at least topologically
one country is truly as well as practically continuous in the
second dimension
even if by a back door route
while the other is truly & practically closed off from itself there in
the second dimension
it is that simple
so
3dimensionally & anthropomorphically
germany touches itself at the border cross point without any
need to cross there because it already extends across there
say
like the life force in the fingertips of someone touching these
fingertips together
however indifferently
but austria cant afford to be so standoffish or it will never get
across
more like the fingertips that strive to touch on the sistine ceiling
of course it is all the same thing in that case
divinity & humanity
or one plus who one truly is
but in the situation at the jungholz border cross
the connections &or disconnections are not equivalent at all but
are correspondingly as different as the topological difference
observed above
different as night & day i would say
& in fact unequal
so you could make arguments but they would just be arguments
& someone else could have contended something else again
but that would just be contending something else again
& you could then of course change the subject without notice too
but that would just be
well you see
dont you
& yet
even then
& even allowing for all these fresh fits & fresh starts
it might still make no more sense to me than it did the first time
but to be fair
i dont honestly know if you really meant to answer me
rather than only to stack on top of me
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael Kaufman
<mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> Whoah! ha ha yes indeed - in a trigonometric sence a
> point is the 0th dimension. And yes of course nothing
> of any physical substance can pass from Jungolz to the
> rest of Austria without any of it leaving Austria.
> And I agree with you that Jungholz functions as an
> enclave in this respect.
> But also you can make a similar argument with the two
> pieces of Germany (really one piece wrapping around
> Jungholz). For Germany touches Germany at exactly one
> point (which has no dimension). Thus nothing of any
> physical substance can pass from Germany to Germany
> (through the point) without any of it leaving Germany.
> Which gives just as much of a German-German
> disconnect (through the point) as an Austrian-Austrian
> disconnect (through the point).
> Of course the are both as connected (think 0th and 1st
> dimensions) as they are disconnected for each
> country-country set.
>
> --- Anton Zeilinger <anton_zeilinger@h...>
> wrote:
>
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Lowell G.
> > McManus"
> > <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> > > Mike D. wrote:
> > >
> > > > forgive me
> > > > i am not trying to be cloudy
> > > > & i see lowell thinks he may see & agree with
> > this
> > > > so i will at least stand by for clearance
> > > > but this too makes no sense to me
> > > >
> > > > if you simply move across the quadripoint
> > position
> > > > wherever it is actually located
> > > > you are in fact partly reaching one part of
> > austria before fully
> > > > leaving the other
> > > > & it is impossible not to do so
> > >
> > > You had to know that this was coming:
> > >
> > > What if Jungholz were separated from the rest of
> > Austria by one foot of
> > > intervening German territory? You could still
> > step from one to the
> > other, and
> > > you would also be partially entering one before
> > fully leaving the
> > other, just as
> > > you say above. However, every atom of your being
> > would pass through
> > German
> > > territory on the way. Guess what: That happens
> > anyway when you
> > step across the
> > > Jungholz binational quadrapoint as it exists,
> > because none of your
> > atoms are
> > > infinitely small--as is the point of intersection.
> > That is why some
> > of us
> > > contend that the single point is of no practical
> > consequence.
> > >
> > > Put another way, if Germany were to build a wall
> > along its entire
> > boundary with
> > > Austria, that wall would touch corner-to-corner at
> > the Jungholz cross,
> > > separating the two parts of Austria as effectively
> > as if there were
> > a foot or a
> > > mile of German territory between them.
> > >
> > > To me, that makes Jungholz an enclave, just as
> > surely as any other.
> > It just has
> > > a peculiarity that most others don't.
> > >
> > > Lowell G. McManus
> > > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> >
> > I fully agree! The point connecting Jungholz with
> > Austria is a
> > trigonometrical reference point with absolutely no
> > dimension at all.
> > As Lowell points out, not even an atom, indeed, not
> > even an electron
> > or a quark can go from Austria to Jungholz without
> > passing through
> > Germany. Thus Jungholz fully functions as an
> > enclave, as access to it
> > is only posssible via a foreign state's sovereign
> > territory.
> >
> > See also Brownlie, in African Boundaries, p. 1099,
> > writing on a
> > possible Botswana/Namibia/South Africa/Zimbabwe
> > (don't know the
> > correct abbreviations, BwNmSaZm?), where he states
> > that "a
> > trigonometrical reference point has no dimension"
> > and thus no
> > connection exists.
> >
> > Cheerio,
> >
> > Anton
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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