First you talked of a pene example. Which could mean
"pene-enclave example" as well as "almost an example."
So this is how it relates.
Second, when I speak of the practical sense I mean you
can not access Jungholz from the rest of Austria with
the whole of your body staying in Austria. You can't
go down the mountain that way anyway.
--- aletheiak <
aletheiak@...> wrote:
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> "mikekaufman79"
> <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > Pene-enclave can mean almost an enclave in the
> sense of the
> boundary
> > lines almost come to a close but then widen back
> out. It can
> also
> > mean almost an enclave, meaning practical
> inaccessibility.
>
> this & its various other ambiguities are why i avoid
> using that
> word myself
>
> > From the first interpretation, Jungholz is every
> bit as much an
> > enclave as it is not an enclave (but yes a
> geographical pene-
> > enclave). You can draw an infinite amount of
> uninterrupted
> lines
> > through the quadripoint from Austria to Austria,
> but you can do
> the
> > same from Germany to Germany.
> > Now of course you can say that something which is
> just as
> much an
> > enclave as it is a pene-enclave in and of it self
> means it's a
> pene-
> > enclave.
>
> yes of course you can
> but why actually say it
>
> & what does it mean
>
> & can you relate it to any of the discussion
>
> > From the second interpretation, it is a
> pene-enclave as it is not
> > possible to reach Jungholz via the rest of Austria
> without ever
> > leaving Austria. Since it is one point wide on
> top of a mountain.
>
> forgive me
> i am not trying to be cloudy
> & i see lowell thinks he may see & agree with this
> so i will at least stand by for clearance
> but this too makes no sense to me
>
> if you simply move across the quadripoint position
> wherever it is actually located
> you are in fact partly reaching one part of austria
> before fully
> leaving the other
> & it is impossible not to do so
>
> & you are especially reaching one part of germany
> without
> leaving the other
> since germany has only one contiguous part there
> anyway by any
> definition
>
>
> >
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak"
> <aletheiak@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > still i must concede
> > > that is an extremely nice pene example
> > > & indeed our closest thing to a real example yet
> > > so it shouldnt just be dismissed out of hand
> > > even if it might be rationalized away as somehow
> exceptional
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "L. A.
> Nadybal"
> > > <lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> > > > With the Anschlu� of Austria by Germany,
> Jungholz
> > > disappeared as the
> > > > two countries became one; and then, after
> WWII, it
> reappeared.
> > > Now
> > > > don't go splitting hairs about it being "only"
> a pene-. I know,
> I
> > > > know, I know.
> > > >
> > > > LN
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> "aletheiak"
> > > <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Peter
>
> Smaardijk"
> > > > > <smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > it is unlikely that defunct claves would
> ever be
> > deliberately
> > > > > > > reconstituted if it could be avoided
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > rather the general drift is almost
> entirely in the
> opposite
> > > > > > direction
> > > > >
> > > > > > Baarle-Hertog was once just a set of
> > > > > > provincial enclaves. But they
> reconstituted those as
> > > > > international
> > > > > > ones when Belgium became independent.
> > > > >
> > > > > thats true
> > > > > tho what i meant by reconstituted
> > > > > is not just continued in a new format
> > > > > for that seems common enough
> > > > > but actually brought back from extinction
> > > > >
> > > > > & i cant think of a single instance of this
> at the moment
> > > > >
> > > > > can anyone
>
>
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