--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael Kaufman
<mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> The fact that they were left alone and no purple
> annotations were made to them should tell you they
> continued unchanged.
not necessarily
if the claves were discontinued
their borders couldnt & wouldnt have been redrawn but only
eliminated or forgotten
would the mapmakers have just scrawled a big purple cross
over each clave to let us know in that case
or exactly how would they redraw something that had completely
vanished
short of erasing it
which they couldnt do
they could only have overprinted it in purple somehow
yet no manner of doing so that i can think of would have correctly
represented the new reality either
yikes
peculiar but apparently true if all you have is purple
or what if they didnt know because there was no information
whether because the claves hadnt been heard from or otherwise
&or what if they didnt even think to check or notice
because they were only making a rather limited set of revisions
& it might never have occurred to them to even ask about these
particular details so far off the beaten border tracks that they
were focusing on
of what if many other what ifs we cant even imagine
Just like everything else with
> no purple annotations continued unchanged. Note that
> most of the length of all the borders on the map was
> UNchanged. If there were a change to the claves in
> 1978, it would have been noted in purple on the map.
> So the lack of any changes should tell you they have
> indeed been heard from as of 1978, and not just 1976.
for the reasons given above
i cant reasonably draw this conclusion but only the opposite
> And you have to assume the status quo unless you have
> something to counter it. Right up until today. Do
> you have any proof these claves no longer exist?
no i only have no proof later than 1976 that they do
& i certainly cant prove the negative
rather it is the job of the clavoscopist to prove the affirmative
end inserts
> --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
>
> > because it indicates that the depiction of the clave
> > borders in
> > black on this map dates from the first printing in
> > 1976
> > & that for whatever reason these claves & their
> > borders were
> > ignored when all the other borders were revised &
> > overprinted in
> > purple in 1978
> >
> > but i think the purple probably indicates actual
> > border revisions
> > rather than corrections of mistakes
> >
> > presumably these authoritative maps were correct
> > when the
> > borders were first drawn in black
> > & were correct again when they were revised in
> > purple
> >
> > & the fact that the borders of these claves were not
> > purpled over
> > could mean that they continued unchanged in 1978
> > & possibly even right up to the present
> >
> > or it could mean that they ceased to exist by then
> > or later
> >
> > & we dont know which it does mean
> >
> > but without any subsequent trace or mention of them
> > anywhere
> > else that we do know of
> > i think it is fair to say they have not been heard
> > from in 28 years
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael
> > Kaufman
> > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > Why would 14183 suggest that?
> > >
> > > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > thanx chris
> > > >
> > > > it is unclear if any of these people are
> > > > credentialed in clavoscopy
> > > >
> > > > but
> > > >
> > > > regarding the 2 extra quasiclaves or maybeclaves
> > > > that i just
> > > > questioned
> > > > not here below but in the separate message 15273
> > > >
> > > > a careful reading of the text in your first link
> > > > here below
> > > > especially
> > > > ob sie je eine reale rolle gespielt haben ist
> > > > unbekannt
> > > > which in normal barbarian means
> > > > whether they ever actually performed as claves
> > is
> > > > unknown
> > > >
> > > > plus
> > > >
> > > > a careful reading of the info in message 14183
> > > >
> > > > together
> > > > suggest that these supposed claves or clavicules
> >
> > > > if indeed they ever really existed at all
> > > > may actually not have been heard from in at
> > least 28
> > > > years
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "chris
> > schulz"
> > > >
> > > > <23568@g...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > http://home.pages.at/maxifant/Frames/armenien.htm
> > > > >
> > http://home.pages.at/maxifant/Frames/karabakh.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > here you may find additional maps.
> > > > >
> > > > > regards, chris
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Michael Kaufman
> > > > > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 7:49 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: enclaves on
> > > > stamps
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ok cool. But we have 6 total exclaves, not
> > 4.
> > > > > So it must be the 4 others which are
> > > > non-Nakhichevan
> > > > > instead of 2.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > http://www.vasa.abo.fi/users/rpalmber/enclaves.htm
> > > > > http://home.no.net/enklaver/azerbaijan.htm
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > politically kyarki is part of the
> > nakhichevan
> > > > > > autonomous republic
> > > > > >
> > > > > > but of course topologically both kyarki &
> > the
> > > > > > greater chunk of
> > > > > > nakhichevan are exclaves of the azerbaijan
> > > > republic
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > & the 2 other azerbaijan exclaves are not
> > part
> > > > of
> > > > > > nakhichevan
> > > > > > autonomous republic but of the azerbaijan
> > > > republic
> > > > > > proper
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > Michael
> > > > > > Kaufman
> > > > > > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Is Kyarki part of Nakhichevan or is it a
> > > > separate
> > > > > > > Azerbaijani exclave? I'm guessing yes
> > due
> > > > to the
> > > > > > > close proximity, but would like to know
> > for
> > > > sure.
> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- Brendan Whyte <bwhyte@u...> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Another Nakhichevan issue on ebay,
> > showing
> > > > > > Kiarky.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > AND the seller is in Lithuania!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3495&i
> > > > > > tem=5517623720&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Brendan
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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