--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak" <aletheiak@y...>
wrote:
> you can have your opinion
Thanks. You can have yours, too.
> & i dont mean to be argumentative
> but in fact de facto always trumps de jure everywhere
>
> & normally a new de jure will emerge from a new de facto
>
> rarely does a former de jure resume after a subsequent de facto
>
> this is because the rule of law is only an extension or
> appurtenance of brute force
> created by those in power for their own convenience
>
> indeed de jure is just a subtler means of force than brute force
>
>
> another way to think of it is that de jure is a subset & refinement
> of de facto
> just as de facto is a subset & refinement of an active military
front
>
> & with claves especially
> given their inconvenience & dysfunction etc
> it it unlikely that defunct ones would ever be deliberately
> reconstituted if they could be avoided
>
> rather the general drift is almost entirely in the opposite
direction
I agree. Especially with your words "normally", "rarely". (By the
way, the fact that de jure is more subtle than brute force is one of
the reasons I prefer de jure.) Baarle-Hertog was once just a set of
provincial enclaves. But they reconstituted those as international
ones when Belgium became independent.
Peter
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Smaardijk"
> <smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak"
> <aletheiak@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > confirmation of the demise of karki
> > > paragraph number 4 in
> > > http://bisnis.doc.gov/bisnis/country/981203az.htm
> > >
> > Yes, that happened on January 13, 1990, according to the
> website of
> > the embassy of Azerbaijan in China (
> > http://www.azerbembassy.org.cn/rus/back_chron.html ).
> Needless to say
> > that they call this occupation illegal. Armenian sites all
> question
> > the Soviet maps that show the enclave, of course (calling it a
> dirty
> > trick played upon them by Moscow).
> >
> > So de facto the enclave is no more, but de jure, in my opinion,
it
> > will continue to be there until some agreement is reached on
> its
> > status - Azeri or Armenian.
> >
> > Peter