(Not trimming anything.) But we will have to see
about what happens as soon as I send this message.
There were further experiments I wanted to perform
using the messages from the last message stacking try
which I will do when I have the time. What I'm
replying to came in as 92k for me.
--- aletheiak <
aletheiak@...> wrote:
> ok mike
> this feels much better to me yet again
>
> thank you
>
>
> & wouldnt you know i actually had to cut off the
> bottom of your
> message again just now in order to add this comment
> on top
>
> i swear it
>
> so you have cosmically outstacked me now for the 3rd
> time
> & i celebrate this attainment with you of your
> stacking hat trick &
> authentic multiple prowess
>
> just as i celebrate & appreciate your
> acknowledgements of my
> own extremities & enormities here below too
>
>
> & i would answer your excellent new question as
> follows
>
> to avoid confusion as well as contention
> i would simply qualify all claves & maybeclaves
> alike
> by the year in which they were last heard from or
> reported
>
> thus amaz karki 2004
>
> & amaz tatlis 1978 or whatever
>
> etc
>
> so by 2005
> if neither are heard from or reported again
> say by the cia or the local schoolmaster
> or anyone else remotely credible
> karki becomes a maybeclave
> but far less of a maybeclave than the tatlis now are
>
> & to indicate confirmed discontinuation
> which is a different matter
> we could give dates fore & aft
>
> but i have run out of
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael
> Kaufman
> <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > Where would you write? Still needs more
> specificity
> > in terms of addressing. Call it a postal
> expedition
> > perhaps. There may be a real expedtion there in a
> > couple of years.
> > If anyone can outstack or outmessagecite it would
> be
> > you. You have cited more messages than anyone
> else,
> > along with creating more messages than anyone
> else,
> > along with replying to your own messages more than
> > anyone else.
> > "i will simply offer & endeavor to answer frankly
> your
> > any fair & simple question"
> > Ok. By your reasoning, anyone could say that the
> > other
> > 4 exclaves are "maybeclaves" since they haven't
> > been "heard from" since the date of the last map
> > showing them. Would you call them maybeclaves as
> > well? That is a fair and simple question.
> >
> > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> >
> > > yes good thinking
> > > & all 3 of your question marks are valid
> > >
> > > so we write our question to them in russky
> > > since they may indeed still understand it
> > >
> > > bravo
> > >
> > > or at least they may be able to find someone who
> > > does
> > >
> > > & this would show no favoritism between armenian
> &
> > > azerbaijani
> > > as if we could understand either
> > >
> > > but of course we write it in anglo too
> > >
> > > since we can
> > >
> > > & since this is also sometimes the lingua franca
> or
> > > rosetta
> > > just in case they really do need a translation
> > >
> > > but i think the envelope should be addressed in
> > > cyrillic
> > > to give it the best chance of being understood
> by
> > > the post lady or
> > > man in the street who matters most to this
> literary
> > > expedition
> > >
> > >
> > > btw
> > > it is an expedition to the local head of govt in
> > > tatli
> > > dont you think
> > >
> > > or what do you think
> > >
> > >
> > > & as for resuming disputations & remonstrances
> > >
> > > as i indicated last time i wrote back to you
> > > i am easy & complete if you would assume all the
> > > assuming you
> > > would like to assume here
> > >
> > > i assume nothing
> > > let alone conclude or claim anything
> > >
> > > as a punctoscopist
> > > i am just predisposed to best available truth
> > >
> > > as a clavoscopist
> > > i am a happy slob
> > >
> > > as a synoroscopist
> > > & thats really greek to me
> > > i am just a border freak like anyone else
> > >
> > > & rather than begin or resume posturing &
> declaiming
> > > with you
> > > about nothing
> > > i will simply offer & endeavor to answer frankly
> > > your any fair &
> > > simple question
> > > & even perhaps fresh question
> > >
> > > as we did last time we spoke
> > > tho i already forgot the message number
> > > & as we normally do
> > >
> > > that was already feeling a lot better
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > & you can outmessagecite me any day pal
> > >
> > > we already know you can outstack me
> > >
> > >
> > > & i would punctuate that with a smiley many
> times
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael
> > > Kaufman
> > > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > Mike, this doesn't really seem delirious or
> > > > imperceptible.
> > > > Nice job on finding a small scale map which of
> > > course
> > > > couldn't show any other claves whether or not
> it
> > > > wanted to.
> > > > Still waiting for the responses to 15388.
> Maybe
> > > > you've also ignored 15405 in addition to 15388
> and
> > > > 15365. :)
> > > > Cyrillic is only part of what you would need
> to
> > > know.
> > > > Azerbaijani used it for quite awhile but is
> now
> > > > "officially" back to Latin characters. Though
> of
> > > > course this decade or so long transition is
> slow,
> > > as
> > > > many transitions are. So the Cyrillic script
> > > could
> > > > likely be fine, but you still need to know the
> > > > language. And of course Armenian uses its own
> > > script,
> > > > plus you need to know that language too.
> > > Depending on
> > > > which villages you want to send this stuff to.
>
> > > Unless
> > > > you are suggesting we use Russian???
> > > >
> > > > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > so many question marks
> > > > >
> > > > > so imperceptible a question
> > > > >
> > > > > so delirious a rant
> > > > >
> > > > > but here you can see the 4 more or less de
> jure
> > > > > azerbaijan
> > > > > political exclaves & the 1 more or less de
> jure
> > > > > armenia political
> > > > > exclave currently acknowledged by the cia
> > > > > clavoscopist at least
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/commonwealth/armenia_pol_20
> > > > > 02.jpg
> > > > >
> > > > > & here you can see the ethnic & de facto
> > > political
> > > > > armenian
> > > > > exclave of nagorno karabakh
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/commonwealth/azerbaijan.gif
> > > > > which armenia has occupied since the 1994
> cease
> > > fire
> > > > >
> > > > > along with some 16 percent of the rest of
> > > azerbaijan
> > > > > territory
> > > > > in areas unspecified by the cia & not
> indicated
> > > here
> > > > > in outline
> > > > > but likely adjacent to nagorno karabakh &or
> to
> > > de
> > > > > jure armenia
> > > > >
> > > > > in other words
> > > > > the places where the present effectivities
> of
> > > one
> > > > > country end &
> > > > > those of the other begin are actually
> unknown by
> > > us
> > > > >
> > > > > & there are in fact multiple question marks
> > > > > along their several effective borders
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "L. A.
> > > > > Nadybal"
> > > > > <lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> > > > > > "... a clave in particular namely nagorno
> > > > > karabakh...????
> > > > > Nagorno
> > > > > > has never been a political enclave - never
> > > > > anything more more
> > > > > than an
> > > > > > ethnic one coalesced by force with a
> couple of
> > > > > pockets of the
> > > > > "other
> > > > > > side's people" still in it. Countries
> > > composed
> > > > > "of, by and for"
> > > > > only
> > > > > > one founding ethnic group are "out", if
> you
> > > hadn't
> > > > > heard - they
> > > > > are
> > > > > > despised, not to be recognized. Being
> "out"
> > > is
> > > > > why we have the
> > > > > demise
> > > > > > of European nation states that are losing
> > > their
> > > > > characters as
> > > > > homes
> > > > > > for the communal protection of Germans
> alone
> > > in
> > > > > the case of
> > > > > Germany,
> > > > > > as is the case for Denmark as a home for
> > > Danish
> > > > > alone, and
> > > > > as in the
> > > > > > case of London was as a capital for the
> > > British
> > > > > alone, etc. As
> > > > > these
> > > > > > countries are infiltrated by immigrants
> who
> > > flee
> > > > > their home
> > > > > countries
> > > > > > rather than organize and fight for good
> > > > > government, the return,
> > > > > for
> > > > > > example, of a Spain under the Moors within
> > > which
> > > > > the
> > > > > "Spanish" become
> > > > > > like "Nagornos" isn't hard to contemplate.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > LN
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > "aletheiak"
> > > > > <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > Michael
> > > > > Kaufman
> > > > > > > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Is there evidence you have which would
> > > make
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > > believe that the two enclaves south of
> > > Tatli
> > > > > no longer
> > > > > > > > exist?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > fair question
> > > > > > > & i must answer no
> > > > > > > not any hard or direct evidence that
> would
> > > > > > > make
> > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > believe
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > but the fact that the countries involved
> > > have
> > > > > been at war with
> > > > > > > each other since even before the soviet
> > > collapse
> > > > > > > & the fact that so much of the fighting
> has
> > > been
> > > > > over their
> > > > > > > boundaries in general & the possession
> of a
> > > > > clave in
> > > > > particular
> > > > > > > namely nagorno karabakh
> > > > > > > where nobody even knows who owns what
> any
> > > longer
> > > > > > > or at least i dont know
> > > > > > > all leads me to be at least a little
> > > circumspect
> > > > > about
> > > > > presuming
> > > > > > > indefinite continuation of any
> particular
> > > detail
> > > > > of the status
> > > > > quo
> > > > > > > ante 1988 anywhere in the greater amaz
> area
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The latest topomap brought to this group
> > > shows
> > > > > > > > them there. No one in this group has
> shown
> > > any
> > > > > kind
> > > > > > > > of international treaty or official
> accord
> > > > > suggesting
> > > > > > > > otherwise (to this point). Brendan
> > > earlier
> > > > > brought a
> > > > > > > > very nice piece to us from the Serb
> > > embassy
> > > > > discussing
> > > > > > > > the Sastavci enclave, for example. So
> if
> > > > > someone had
> > > > > > > > something like that to share that
> would be
> > > > > good and
> > > > > > > > helpful.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > yes good idea
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > some evidence
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > any evidence
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > &or anything just very nice or helpful
> to
> > > share
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > yes that might well be plenty too
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Or if someone has a new official topomap
> > > > > > > > that would be helpful. Or at least
> > > anything
> > > > > other
> > > > > > > > than "well I can't prove they don't
> exist
> > > but
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > > challenge you to prove they do
> hahahaha."
> > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > yikes
> > > > > > > i think i see what has happened here
> > > > > > > improbable as it is
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > i actually did say something other than
> that
> > > in
> > > > > message
> > > > > 15333
> > > > > > > to which your quotation of me here
> > > apparently
> > > > > refers
> > > > > > > but i said it as follows
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > quote
> > > > > > > i certainly cant prove the negative
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > rather it is the job of the clavoscopist
> to
> > > > > prove the positive
> > > > > > > close quote
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > if i may say it again just that way
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > rather than the way you have put it
> between
> > > > > quotation marks
> > > > > here
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > unless you were taking liberties with a
> > > > > different passage of
> > > > > mine
> > > > > > > i can no longer even recognize from your
> > > > > supposed quotation
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > but did you just need me to say this one
> a
> > > > > little differently
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > is that what you mean by
> > > > > > > at least anything other than
> > > > > > > your misrepresentation of it
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > well then how is this
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > i only think the clavoscopist
> > > > > > > whether that is me or you or whoever
> aspires
> > > to
> > > > > be one
> > > > > > > has this job or function or role of
> actually
> > > > > seeing the clave
> > > > > > > because this word in plain barbarian
> just
> > > means
> > > > > > > the person who sees the clave
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > & job is too loaded a word for bp anyway
> > > > > > > so i will be glad to say something other
> > > than
> > > > > that too
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > better to say play or honors or move or
> > > caper
> > > > > > > or something more like that anyway
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > because for me this is just an extremely
> > > light
> > > > > game
> > > > > > > & i really cant & dont take any of it
> > > including
> > > > > myself very
> > > > > heavily
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > not that i blame anyone who does
> > > > > > > but it is just fun with me
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > as i have been saying since message 4
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > so let me take the opportunity to
> correct
> > > myself
> > > > > while saying
> > > > > at
> > > > > > > least anything other than i actually
> said
> > > > > > > as well as at least anything other than
> you
> > > said
> > > > > i said
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > here goes
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > pay attention now
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > it is the
> > > > > > > p l a y
> > > > > > > of the clavoscopist to prove the
> positive
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But again,
> > > > > > > > lacking (at least collectively in BP
> > > context)
> > > > > any of
> > > > > > > > this evidence to suggest the claves no
> > > longer
> > > > > exist,
> > > > > > > > there's no reason to assume by default
> > > that
> > > > > they don't
> > > > > > > > exist.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > i agree
> > > > > > > & i dont think i have assumed they dont
> > > exist
> > > > > > > do you
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > do you assume by default i have assumed
> they
> > > > > dont exist
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > i believe i have been entirely
> unassuming in
> > > > > this matter
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > but i will let you assume even more of
> the
> > > > > assuming if you
> > > > > wish
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > complete
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ok len you cant be blamed for
> thinking
> > > we
> > > > > were
> > > > > > > > > talking about
> > > > > > > > > enclaves on stamps because the
> message
> > > title
> > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > does say
> > > > > > > > > enclaves on stamps
> > > > > > > > > even now
> > > > > > > > > oops
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > but the claves we were discussing in
> the
> > > > > text you
> > > > > > > > > have added to
> > > > > > > > > here are not the ones on the stamps
> that
> > > the
> > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > > began with
> > > > > > > > > & that you probably still have in
> mind
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > rather these claves are not on any
> > > stamps at
> > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > that we know of
> > > > > > > > > but only on a 1976 &or 1978 map
> > > > > > > > > so far as we know
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > & i dont believe there is any
> question
> > > of
> > > > > nihilism
> > > > > > > > > or any other sort
> > > > > > > > > of denial here
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > rather we were only following up on
> what
> > > i
> > > > > think
> > > > > > > > > chris or
> > > > > > > > > someone else had previously & i
> think
> > > very
> > > > > sensibly
> > > > > > > > > said of
> > > > > > > > > these maybeclaves
> > > > > > > > > namely
> > > > > > > > > ob sie je eine reale rolle gespielt
> > > haben
> > > > > ist
> > > > > > > > > unbekannt
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > or in plain barbarian
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > whether they
> > > > > > > > > e v e r
> > > > > > > > > actually functioned as claves
> > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > unknown
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > evidently a healthy agnosticism
> rather
> > > than
> > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > nihilism there
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > & mike
> > > > > > > > > when the banter gets so shrill as
> this
> > > > > > > > > dont you worry the turtle might
> stick
> > > his
> > > > > head up
> > > > > > > > > from his mozart
> > > > > > > > > again as he last did in message
> 13685
> > > > > > > > > hahahahaha
> > > > > > > > > i can just see him asking us to
> cancel
> > > his
> > > > > > > > > subscription again
> > > > > > > > > hahaha
> > > > > > > > > certainly one of our funniest
> moments
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > but anyway i still really dont
> follow
> > > you
> > > > > here
> > > > > > > > > so please just tell me
> > > > > > > > > quietly & simply if possible
> > > > > > > > > exactly what i am ignoring that i
> did
> > > say
> > > > > > > > > & exactly which of your writings i
> am
> > > > > refusing to
> > > > > > > > > read
> > > > > > > > > so i can at least consider or
> reconsider
> > > > > what you
> > > > > > > > > mean
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > & i dont think any of us is guilty
> of
> > > > > anything
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > but i do think we are all super
> heroes
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > in fact i am sure of it
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > we are all positively divine
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In
> BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > "L. A.
> > > > > > > > > Nadybal"
> > > > > > > > > <lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Map stamps are usually issued to
> press
> > > > > border
> > > > > > > > > claims - it
> > > > > > > > > takes too
> > > > > > > > > > much deliberate work in creating a
> > > stamp
> > > > > showing
> > > > > > > > > an exclave
> > > > > > > > > for the
> > > > > > > > > > reasoning human being to think
> that
> > > what
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > pictured on map
> > > > > > > > > stamps
> > > > > > > > > > doesn't exist (or didn't when
> issued).
> > >
> > > > > What's on
> > > > > > > > > new stamps
> > > > > > > > > (and
> > > > > > > > > > these are relatively new) does
> exist
> > > in
> > > > > the mind
> > > > > > > > > of the stamp
> > > > > > > > > issuing
> > > > > > > > > > party, and you can be certain that
> in
> > > the
> > > > > mind of
> > > > > > > > > the issuer, it
> > > > > > > > > > "hasn't been 20-odd years since it
> was
> > > > > last heard
> > > > > > > > > of". Your
> > > > > > > > > logic is
> > > > > > > > > > like like saying Columbus hadn't
> > > "heard
> > > > > of" the
> > > > > > > > > Americas prior
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > 1492, and therefore, it wasn't
> there
> > > or
> > > > > that it
> > > > > > > > > was and had gone
> > > > > > > > > away
> > > > > > > > > > at some earlier point in time if
> it
> > > had
> > > > > ever been
> > > > > > > > > there. Nihilist
> > > > > > > > > > philosophy. The Indians who
> greeted
> > > > > Columbus on
> > > > > > > > > his arrival
> > > > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > > > there - they'd been hearing of
> exclave
> > > > > America for
> > > > > > > > > quite some
> > > > > > > > > time.
> > > > > > > > > > LN
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In
> BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > Michael
> > > > > > > > > Kaufman
> > > > > > > > > > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > I am not delusional. I am not
> > > > > misrepresenting
> > > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > > > you say. You are just ignoring
> what
> > > you
> > > > > > > > > actually DID
> > > > > > > > > > > say. You refuse to read what I
> > > wrote or
> > > > > answer
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > questions I have posed to you
> > > > > specifically.
> > > > > > > > > > > Again read what you wrote: "& i
> > > > > certainly cant
> > > > > > > > > prove
> > > > > > > > > > > the negative rather it is the
> job of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > clavoscopist
> > > > > > > > > > > to prove the affirmative" This
> is
> > > > > tantamount to
> > > > > > > > > > > assuming guilty until proven
> > > innocent.
> > > > > Guilty
> > > > > > > > > until
> > > > > > > > > > > proven innocent mentality? - Now
> > > THAT'S
> > > > > > > > > delusional...
> > > > > > > > > > > If you cast doubt on these 2
> claves
> > > as
> > > > > of 1978,
> > > > > > > > > cast
> > > > > > > > > > > doubt on everything you see.
> > > > > > > > > > > Reread message 15122 - there is
> no
> > > need
> > > > > to dress
> > > > > > > > > up
> > > > > > > > > > > like a superhero. :)
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > ah but now you appear to be
> > > > > deliberately
> > > > > > > > > > > > misunderstanding as
> > > > > > > > > > > > well as deliberately
> > > misrepresenting
> > > > > what i
> > > > > > > > > actually
> > > > > > > > > > > > said & did
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > my questioning what you
> believe &
> > > > > claim exists
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > & even my wondering out loud
> if
> > > anyone
> > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > seen any
> > > > > > > > > > > > evidence
> > > > > > > > > > > > of it at any time in the past
> > > quarter
> > > > > of a
> > > > > > > > > century
> > > > > > > > > > > > for starters
> > > > > > > > > > > > is not the same as assuming it
> no
> > > > > longer
> > > > > > > > > exists
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > nor the same as saying it
> doesnt
> > > exist
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > let alone as wanting it not to
> > > exist
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > you are not even close on any
> of
> > > the
> > > > > above
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > for this is not me mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > nor my reasoning
> > > > > > > > > > > > but only your specific self
> > > delusions
> > > > > about me
> > > > > > > > > & it
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > & such is the grandeur of your
> > > > > delusions that
> > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > > are even
> > > > > > > > > > > > reckoning them common sense
> now
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > but i just dont share any of
> this
> > > > > sense with
> > > > > > > > > you in
> > > > > > > > > > > > common
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > indeed my vote is of no
> consensus
> > > & no
> > > > > > > > > confidence in
> > > > > > > > > > > > any of
> > > > > > > > > > > > what you are now saying about
> me
> > > > > > > > > > > > or about anything here below
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > & you only grow more delirious
> as
> > > you
> > > > > go
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > a map
> > > > > > > > > > > > & the representations on it
> > > > > > > > > > > > like all other data
> > > > > > > > > > > > are never thorough
> > > > > > > > > > > > but are always selective &
> > > necessarily
> > > > > partial
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > as well as dated
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > & often just plain wrong
> besides
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > & thinking they necessarily
> arent
> > > > > could be the
> > > > > > > > > > > > mother of all
> > > > > > > > > > > > delusion
> > > > > > > > > > > > as of all your specific
> delusions
> > > here
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > Michael
> > > > > > > > > > > > Kaufman
> > > > > > > > > > > > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not a fantasy, it's
> common
> > > > > sense. The
> > > > > > > > > maps
> > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > borders were thoroughly done
> > > over in
> > > > > 1978.
> > > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > > > claves
> > > > > > > > > > > > > were left as they were. You
> > > can't
> > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > assume
> > > > > > > > > > > > > something goes away because
> you
> > > > > yourself
> > > > > > > > > want it
> > > > > > > > > > > > to go
> > > > > > > > > > > > > away. What real evidence do
> you
> > > > > have saying
> > > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > > > > > longer exist?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > By your reasoning, anyone
> could
> > > say
> > > > > that the
> > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > > 4
> > > > > > > > > > > > > exclaves no longer exist
> either
> > > > > because they
> > > > > > > > > > > > haven't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > been "heard from" since the
> date
> > > of
> > > > > the last
> > > > > > > > > map
> > > > > > > > > > > > > showing them. If that is
> 2002
> > > > > > > > > (hypothetically),
> > > > > > > > > > > > does
> > > > > > > > > > > > > that mean we should question
> > > whether
> > > > > they've
> > > > > > > > > > > > existed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > for the last 2 years? (No.)
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- aletheiak
> <aletheiak@y...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > exactly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have finally hit it in
> > > your
> > > > > afterword
> > > > > > > > > here
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > maestro
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > & the tripoints sometimes
> do
> > > > > indeed move
> > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > etc
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > so we only know for sure
> what
> > > was
> > > > > > > > > supposedly
> > > > > > > > > > > > true at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the time
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > they were last visited &or
> > > > > reported etc
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > so i absolutely agree with
> you
> > > > > about the
> > > > > > > > > > > > tripoints &
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > claves equally
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > & thats one reason for &
> > > benefit
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > reporting on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > them repeatedly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > & you have proved these
> > > particular
> > > > > crumbs
> > > > > > > > > > > > existed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > circa 1976 &
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibly as recently as
> 1978
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > tho i believe your logic
> is
> > > still
> > > > > > > > > questionable
> > > > > > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in msg 15345
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hahaha
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > however unworth
> questioning
> > > just
> > > > > to reduce
> > > > > > > > > by 2
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 28 years
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > during which i still do
> > > believe
> > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > havent been
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > heard from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > & in the meantime whole
> > > > > governments &
> > > > > > > > > nation
> > > > > > > > > > > > states
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > come & gone ferociously
> > > several
> > > > > times all
> > > > > > > > > thru
> > > > > > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > which do in fact now
> recognize
> > > &
> > > > > mention
> > > > > > > > > all the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > well known
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > classmates of these
> > > maybeclaves
> > > > > but have
> > > > > > > > > > > > apparently
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > never
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned these crumbs
> during
> > > at
> > > > > least 26
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 28 years
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > so i am content to believe
> > > them
> > > > > real as of
> > > > > > > > > 1976
> > > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe 1978
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > & looking forward to more
> &
> > > > > fresher data
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > via whatever aspiring
> > > clavoscopist
> > > > > > > > > provides it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > & i have just been
> responding
> > > to
> > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > claim in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > message 15272
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of what you think we have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > by telling you i know we
> once
> > > had
> > > > > them but
> > > > > > > > > i
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > seriously question if
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we still have them
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am not stuck in your
> fantasy
> > > tho
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > & anyway time will tell
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > > > > > Michael
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kaufman
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mikekaufman79@y...>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the same token, the
> > > tripoint
> > > > > could
> > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved...maybe the
> > > cartogrophers
> > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > didn't
> > > > > > > > > > > > know
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. The AMAZGE tripoint
> > > could
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > moved (or
> > > > > > > > > > > > even
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ceased to exist!) - it's
> > > just
> > > > > that it
> > > > > > > > > wasn't
> > > > > > > > > > > > shown
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said, "if something
> isnt
> > > shown
> > > > > or said
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > means
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it wasnt shown or said
> not
> > > that
> > > > > it was
> > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > wasnt a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- aletheiak
> > > <aletheiak@y...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good idea specifically
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & good for the
> aspiring
> > > > > clavoscopist
> > > > > > > > > to be
> > > > > > > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > diligent in any case
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but one cant presume
> the
> > > > > cartographers
> > > > > > > > > knew
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than what they
> actually
> > > drew
> > > > > or wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if something isnt
> shown or
> > > > > said
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it only means it wasnt
> > > shown
> > > > > or said
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not that it was or
> wasnt a
> > > > > fact
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > & not that anyone had
> any
> > > > > specific
> > > > > > > > > inkling
> > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or even any
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general awareness of
> it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Lowell G.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > McManus"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mcmanus71496@m...>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike D. asked:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if the claves were
> > > > > discontinued
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their borders
> couldnt
> > > &
> > > > > wouldnt
> > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > been
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redrawn but only
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eliminated or
> > > forgotten
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would the
> mapmakers
> > > have
> > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > scrawled a
> > > > > > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > purple cross
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over each clave to
> let
> > > us
> > > > > know in
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > case
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or exactly how
> would
> > > they
> > > > > redraw
> > > > > > > > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vanished
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short of erasing
> it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which they couldnt
> do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I the addition of a
> > > purple
> > > > > overprint
> > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > revision available,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the cartographers
> would
> > > > > likely have
> > > > > > > > > added
> > > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > text
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > notation in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > purple that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such-and-such claves
> no
> > > > > longer
> > > > > > > > > existed. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggest
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you go
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back and check
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the margins and
> legend
> > > of
> > > > > the map
> > > > > > > > > for such
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > purple
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > text.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lowell G. McManus
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leesville,
> Louisiana,
> > > USA
>
>
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