Where would you write? Still needs more specificity
in terms of addressing. Call it a postal expedition
perhaps. There may be a real expedtion there in a
couple of years.
If anyone can outstack or outmessagecite it would be
you. You have cited more messages than anyone else,
along with creating more messages than anyone else,
along with replying to your own messages more than
anyone else.
"i will simply offer & endeavor to answer frankly your
any fair & simple question"
Ok. By your reasoning, anyone could say that the
other
4 exclaves are "maybeclaves" since they haven't
been "heard from" since the date of the last map
showing them. Would you call them maybeclaves as
well? That is a fair and simple question.
--- aletheiak <
aletheiak@...> wrote:
> yes good thinking
> & all 3 of your question marks are valid
>
> so we write our question to them in russky
> since they may indeed still understand it
>
> bravo
>
> or at least they may be able to find someone who
> does
>
> & this would show no favoritism between armenian &
> azerbaijani
> as if we could understand either
>
> but of course we write it in anglo too
>
> since we can
>
> & since this is also sometimes the lingua franca or
> rosetta
> just in case they really do need a translation
>
> but i think the envelope should be addressed in
> cyrillic
> to give it the best chance of being understood by
> the post lady or
> man in the street who matters most to this literary
> expedition
>
>
> btw
> it is an expedition to the local head of govt in
> tatli
> dont you think
>
> or what do you think
>
>
> & as for resuming disputations & remonstrances
>
> as i indicated last time i wrote back to you
> i am easy & complete if you would assume all the
> assuming you
> would like to assume here
>
> i assume nothing
> let alone conclude or claim anything
>
> as a punctoscopist
> i am just predisposed to best available truth
>
> as a clavoscopist
> i am a happy slob
>
> as a synoroscopist
> & thats really greek to me
> i am just a border freak like anyone else
>
> & rather than begin or resume posturing & declaiming
> with you
> about nothing
> i will simply offer & endeavor to answer frankly
> your any fair &
> simple question
> & even perhaps fresh question
>
> as we did last time we spoke
> tho i already forgot the message number
> & as we normally do
>
> that was already feeling a lot better
>
>
>
> & you can outmessagecite me any day pal
>
> we already know you can outstack me
>
>
> & i would punctuate that with a smiley many times
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael
> Kaufman
> <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > Mike, this doesn't really seem delirious or
> > imperceptible.
> > Nice job on finding a small scale map which of
> course
> > couldn't show any other claves whether or not it
> > wanted to.
> > Still waiting for the responses to 15388. Maybe
> > you've also ignored 15405 in addition to 15388 and
> > 15365. :)
> > Cyrillic is only part of what you would need to
> know.
> > Azerbaijani used it for quite awhile but is now
> > "officially" back to Latin characters. Though of
> > course this decade or so long transition is slow,
> as
> > many transitions are. So the Cyrillic script
> could
> > likely be fine, but you still need to know the
> > language. And of course Armenian uses its own
> script,
> > plus you need to know that language too.
> Depending on
> > which villages you want to send this stuff to.
> Unless
> > you are suggesting we use Russian???
> >
> > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> >
> > > so many question marks
> > >
> > > so imperceptible a question
> > >
> > > so delirious a rant
> > >
> > > but here you can see the 4 more or less de jure
> > > azerbaijan
> > > political exclaves & the 1 more or less de jure
> > > armenia political
> > > exclave currently acknowledged by the cia
> > > clavoscopist at least
> > >
> >
>
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/commonwealth/armenia_pol_20
> > > 02.jpg
> > >
> > > & here you can see the ethnic & de facto
> political
> > > armenian
> > > exclave of nagorno karabakh
> > >
> >
>
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/commonwealth/azerbaijan.gif
> > > which armenia has occupied since the 1994 cease
> fire
> > >
> > > along with some 16 percent of the rest of
> azerbaijan
> > > territory
> > > in areas unspecified by the cia & not indicated
> here
> > > in outline
> > > but likely adjacent to nagorno karabakh &or to
> de
> > > jure armenia
> > >
> > > in other words
> > > the places where the present effectivities of
> one
> > > country end &
> > > those of the other begin are actually unknown by
> us
> > >
> > > & there are in fact multiple question marks
> > > along their several effective borders
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "L. A.
> > > Nadybal"
> > > <lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> > > > "... a clave in particular namely nagorno
> > > karabakh...????
> > > Nagorno
> > > > has never been a political enclave - never
> > > anything more more
> > > than an
> > > > ethnic one coalesced by force with a couple of
> > > pockets of the
> > > "other
> > > > side's people" still in it. Countries
> composed
> > > "of, by and for"
> > > only
> > > > one founding ethnic group are "out", if you
> hadn't
> > > heard - they
> > > are
> > > > despised, not to be recognized. Being "out"
> is
> > > why we have the
> > > demise
> > > > of European nation states that are losing
> their
> > > characters as
> > > homes
> > > > for the communal protection of Germans alone
> in
> > > the case of
> > > Germany,
> > > > as is the case for Denmark as a home for
> Danish
> > > alone, and
> > > as in the
> > > > case of London was as a capital for the
> British
> > > alone, etc. As
> > > these
> > > > countries are infiltrated by immigrants who
> flee
> > > their home
> > > countries
> > > > rather than organize and fight for good
> > > government, the return,
> > > for
> > > > example, of a Spain under the Moors within
> which
> > > the
> > > "Spanish" become
> > > > like "Nagornos" isn't hard to contemplate.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > LN
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> "aletheiak"
> > > <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> Michael
> > > Kaufman
> > > > > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > Is there evidence you have which would
> make
> > > you
> > > > > > believe that the two enclaves south of
> Tatli
> > > no longer
> > > > > > exist?
> > > > >
> > > > > fair question
> > > > > & i must answer no
> > > > > not any hard or direct evidence that would
> > > > > make
> > > > > me
> > > > > believe
> > > > > that
> > > > >
> > > > > but the fact that the countries involved
> have
> > > been at war with
> > > > > each other since even before the soviet
> collapse
> > > > > & the fact that so much of the fighting has
> been
> > > over their
> > > > > boundaries in general & the possession of a
> > > clave in
> > > particular
> > > > > namely nagorno karabakh
> > > > > where nobody even knows who owns what any
> longer
> > > > > or at least i dont know
> > > > > all leads me to be at least a little
> circumspect
> > > about
> > > presuming
> > > > > indefinite continuation of any particular
> detail
> > > of the status
> > > quo
> > > > > ante 1988 anywhere in the greater amaz area
> > > > >
> > > > > The latest topomap brought to this group
> shows
> > > > > > them there. No one in this group has shown
> any
> > > kind
> > > > > > of international treaty or official accord
> > > suggesting
> > > > > > otherwise (to this point). Brendan
> earlier
> > > brought a
> > > > > > very nice piece to us from the Serb
> embassy
> > > discussing
> > > > > > the Sastavci enclave, for example. So if
> > > someone had
> > > > > > something like that to share that would be
> > > good and
> > > > > > helpful.
> > > > >
> > > > > yes good idea
> > > > >
> > > > > some evidence
> > > > >
> > > > > any evidence
> > > > >
> > > > > &or anything just very nice or helpful to
> share
> > > > >
> > > > > yes that might well be plenty too
> > > > >
> > > > > Or if someone has a new official topomap
> > > > > > that would be helpful. Or at least
> anything
> > > other
> > > > > > than "well I can't prove they don't exist
> but
> > > I
> > > > > > challenge you to prove they do hahahaha."
>
> > > > >
> > > > > yikes
> > > > > i think i see what has happened here
> > > > > improbable as it is
> > > > >
> > > > > i actually did say something other than that
> in
> > > message
> > > 15333
> > > > > to which your quotation of me here
> apparently
> > > refers
> > > > > but i said it as follows
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > quote
> > > > > i certainly cant prove the negative
> > > > >
> > > > > rather it is the job of the clavoscopist to
> > > prove the positive
> > > > > close quote
> > > > >
> > > > > if i may say it again just that way
> > > > >
> > > > > rather than the way you have put it between
> > > quotation marks
> > > here
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > unless you were taking liberties with a
> > > different passage of
> > > mine
> > > > > i can no longer even recognize from your
> > > supposed quotation
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > but did you just need me to say this one a
> > > little differently
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > is that what you mean by
> > > > > at least anything other than
> > > > > your misrepresentation of it
> > > > >
> > > > > well then how is this
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > i only think the clavoscopist
> > > > > whether that is me or you or whoever aspires
> to
> > > be one
> > > > > has this job or function or role of actually
> > > seeing the clave
> > > > > because this word in plain barbarian just
> means
> > > > > the person who sees the clave
> > > > >
> > > > > & job is too loaded a word for bp anyway
> > > > > so i will be glad to say something other
> than
> > > that too
> > > > >
> > > > > better to say play or honors or move or
> caper
> > > > > or something more like that anyway
> > > > >
> > > > > because for me this is just an extremely
> light
> > > game
> > > > > & i really cant & dont take any of it
> including
> > > myself very
> > > heavily
> > > > >
> > > > > not that i blame anyone who does
> > > > > but it is just fun with me
> > > > >
> > > > > as i have been saying since message 4
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > so let me take the opportunity to correct
> myself
> > > while saying
> > > at
> > > > > least anything other than i actually said
> > > > > as well as at least anything other than you
> said
> > > i said
> > > > >
> > > > > here goes
> > > > >
> > > > > pay attention now
> > > > >
> > > > > it is the
> > > > > p l a y
> > > > > of the clavoscopist to prove the positive
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > But again,
> > > > > > lacking (at least collectively in BP
> context)
> > > any of
> > > > > > this evidence to suggest the claves no
> longer
> > > exist,
> > > > > > there's no reason to assume by default
> that
> > > they don't
> > > > > > exist.
> > > > >
> > > > > i agree
> > > > > & i dont think i have assumed they dont
> exist
> > > > > do you
> > > > >
> > > > > do you assume by default i have assumed they
> > > dont exist
> > > > >
> > > > > i believe i have been entirely unassuming in
> > > this matter
> > > > >
> > > > > but i will let you assume even more of the
> > > assuming if you
> > > wish
> > > > >
> > > > > complete
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > ok len you cant be blamed for thinking
> we
> > > were
> > > > > > > talking about
> > > > > > > enclaves on stamps because the message
> title
> > > still
> > > > > > > does say
> > > > > > > enclaves on stamps
> > > > > > > even now
> > > > > > > oops
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > but the claves we were discussing in the
> > > text you
> > > > > > > have added to
> > > > > > > here are not the ones on the stamps that
> the
> > > thread
> > > > > > > began with
> > > > > > > & that you probably still have in mind
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > rather these claves are not on any
> stamps at
> > > all
> > > > > > > that we know of
> > > > > > > but only on a 1976 &or 1978 map
> > > > > > > so far as we know
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > & i dont believe there is any question
> of
> > > nihilism
> > > > > > > or any other sort
> > > > > > > of denial here
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > rather we were only following up on what
> i
> > > think
> > > > > > > chris or
> > > > > > > someone else had previously & i think
> very
> > > sensibly
> > > > > > > said of
> > > > > > > these maybeclaves
> > > > > > > namely
> > > > > > > ob sie je eine reale rolle gespielt
> haben
> > > ist
> > > > > > > unbekannt
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > or in plain barbarian
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > whether they
> > > > > > > e v e r
> > > > > > > actually functioned as claves
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > unknown
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > evidently a healthy agnosticism rather
> than
> > > any
> > > > > > > nihilism there
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > & mike
> > > > > > > when the banter gets so shrill as this
> > > > > > > dont you worry the turtle might stick
> his
> > > head up
> > > > > > > from his mozart
> > > > > > > again as he last did in message 13685
> > > > > > > hahahahaha
> > > > > > > i can just see him asking us to cancel
> his
> > > > > > > subscription again
> > > > > > > hahaha
> > > > > > > certainly one of our funniest moments
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > but anyway i still really dont follow
> you
> > > here
> > > > > > > so please just tell me
> > > > > > > quietly & simply if possible
> > > > > > > exactly what i am ignoring that i did
> say
> > > > > > > & exactly which of your writings i am
> > > refusing to
> > > > > > > read
> > > > > > > so i can at least consider or reconsider
> > > what you
> > > > > > > mean
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > & i dont think any of us is guilty of
> > > anything
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > but i do think we are all super heroes
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > in fact i am sure of it
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > we are all positively divine
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> "L. A.
> > > > > > > Nadybal"
> > > > > > > <lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Map stamps are usually issued to press
> > > border
> > > > > > > claims - it
> > > > > > > takes too
> > > > > > > > much deliberate work in creating a
> stamp
> > > showing
> > > > > > > an exclave
> > > > > > > for the
> > > > > > > > reasoning human being to think that
> what
> > > is
> > > > > > > pictured on map
> > > > > > > stamps
> > > > > > > > doesn't exist (or didn't when issued).
>
> > > What's on
> > > > > > > new stamps
> > > > > > > (and
> > > > > > > > these are relatively new) does exist
> in
> > > the mind
> > > > > > > of the stamp
> > > > > > > issuing
> > > > > > > > party, and you can be certain that in
> the
> > > mind of
> > > > > > > the issuer, it
> > > > > > > > "hasn't been 20-odd years since it was
> > > last heard
> > > > > > > of". Your
> > > > > > > logic is
> > > > > > > > like like saying Columbus hadn't
> "heard
> > > of" the
> > > > > > > Americas prior
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > 1492, and therefore, it wasn't there
> or
> > > that it
> > > > > > > was and had gone
> > > > > > > away
> > > > > > > > at some earlier point in time if it
> had
> > > ever been
> > > > > > > there. Nihilist
> > > > > > > > philosophy. The Indians who greeted
> > > Columbus on
> > > > > > > his arrival
> > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > there - they'd been hearing of exclave
> > > America for
> > > > > > > quite some
> > > > > > > time.
> > > > > > > > LN
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > Michael
> > > > > > > Kaufman
> > > > > > > > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I am not delusional. I am not
> > > misrepresenting
> > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > you say. You are just ignoring what
> you
> > > > > > > actually DID
> > > > > > > > > say. You refuse to read what I
> wrote or
> > > answer
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > questions I have posed to you
> > > specifically.
> > > > > > > > > Again read what you wrote: "& i
> > > certainly cant
> > > > > > > prove
> > > > > > > > > the negative rather it is the job of
> the
> > > > > > > clavoscopist
> > > > > > > > > to prove the affirmative" This is
> > > tantamount to
> > > > > > > > > assuming guilty until proven
> innocent.
> > > Guilty
> > > > > > > until
> > > > > > > > > proven innocent mentality? - Now
> THAT'S
> > > > > > > delusional...
> > > > > > > > > If you cast doubt on these 2 claves
> as
> > > of 1978,
> > > > > > > cast
> > > > > > > > > doubt on everything you see.
> > > > > > > > > Reread message 15122 - there is no
> need
> > > to dress
> > > > > > > up
> > > > > > > > > like a superhero. :)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ah but now you appear to be
> > > deliberately
> > > > > > > > > > misunderstanding as
> > > > > > > > > > well as deliberately
> misrepresenting
> > > what i
> > > > > > > actually
> > > > > > > > > > said & did
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > my questioning what you believe &
> > > claim exists
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > & even my wondering out loud if
> anyone
> > > has
> > > > > > > seen any
> > > > > > > > > > evidence
> > > > > > > > > > of it at any time in the past
> quarter
> > > of a
> > > > > > > century
> > > > > > > > > > for starters
> > > > > > > > > > is not the same as assuming it no
> > > longer
> > > > > > > exists
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > nor the same as saying it doesnt
> exist
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > let alone as wanting it not to
> exist
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > you are not even close on any of
> the
> > > above
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > for this is not me mike
> > > > > > > > > > nor my reasoning
> > > > > > > > > > but only your specific self
> delusions
> > > about me
> > > > > > > & it
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > & such is the grandeur of your
> > > delusions that
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > are even
> > > > > > > > > > reckoning them common sense now
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > but i just dont share any of this
> > > sense with
> > > > > > > you in
> > > > > > > > > > common
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > indeed my vote is of no consensus
> & no
> > > > > > > confidence in
> > > > > > > > > > any of
> > > > > > > > > > what you are now saying about me
> > > > > > > > > > or about anything here below
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > & you only grow more delirious as
> you
> > > go
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > a map
> > > > > > > > > > & the representations on it
> > > > > > > > > > like all other data
> > > > > > > > > > are never thorough
> > > > > > > > > > but are always selective &
> necessarily
> > > partial
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > as well as dated
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > & often just plain wrong besides
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > & thinking they necessarily arent
> > > could be the
> > > > > > > > > > mother of all
> > > > > > > > > > delusion
> > > > > > > > > > as of all your specific delusions
> here
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In
> BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > Michael
> > > > > > > > > > Kaufman
> > > > > > > > > > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > It's not a fantasy, it's common
> > > sense. The
> > > > > > > maps
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > borders were thoroughly done
> over in
> > > 1978.
> > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > claves
> > > > > > > > > > > were left as they were. You
> can't
> > > just
> > > > > > > assume
> > > > > > > > > > > something goes away because you
> > > yourself
> > > > > > > want it
> > > > > > > > > > to go
> > > > > > > > > > > away. What real evidence do you
> > > have saying
> > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > > > longer exist?
> > > > > > > > > > > By your reasoning, anyone could
> say
> > > that the
> > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > 4
> > > > > > > > > > > exclaves no longer exist either
> > > because they
> > > > > > > > > > haven't
> > > > > > > > > > > been "heard from" since the date
> of
> > > the last
> > > > > > > map
> > > > > > > > > > > showing them. If that is 2002
> > > > > > > (hypothetically),
> > > > > > > > > > does
> > > > > > > > > > > that mean we should question
> whether
> > > they've
> > > > > > > > > > existed
> > > > > > > > > > > for the last 2 years? (No.)
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > exactly
> > > > > > > > > > > > you have finally hit it in
> your
> > > afterword
> > > > > > > here
> > > > > > > > > > > > maestro
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > & the tripoints sometimes do
> > > indeed move
> > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > etc
> > > > > > > > > > > > so we only know for sure what
> was
> > > > > > > supposedly
> > > > > > > > > > true at
> > > > > > > > > > > > the time
> > > > > > > > > > > > they were last visited &or
> > > reported etc
> > > > > > > > > > > > so i absolutely agree with you
> > > about the
> > > > > > > > > > tripoints &
> > > > > > > > > > > > claves equally
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > & thats one reason for &
> benefit
> > > of
> > > > > > > reporting on
> > > > > > > > > > > > them repeatedly
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > & you have proved these
> particular
> > > crumbs
> > > > > > > > > > existed
> > > > > > > > > > > > circa 1976 &
> > > > > > > > > > > > possibly as recently as 1978
> > > > > > > > > > > > tho i believe your logic is
> still
> > > > > > > questionable
> > > > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > > > > in msg 15345
> > > > > > > > > > > > hahaha
> > > > > > > > > > > > however unworth questioning
> just
> > > to reduce
> > > > > > > by 2
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > 28 years
> > > > > > > > > > > > during which i still do
> believe
> > > they
> > > > > > > havent been
> > > > > > > > > > > > heard from
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > & in the meantime whole
> > > governments &
> > > > > > > nation
> > > > > > > > > > states
> > > > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > come & gone ferociously
> several
> > > times all
> > > > > > > thru
> > > > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > > > > which do in fact now recognize
> &
> > > mention
> > > > > > > all the
> > > > > > > > > > > > well known
> > > > > > > > > > > > classmates of these
> maybeclaves
> > > but have
> > > > > > > > > > apparently
> > > > > > > > > > > > never
> > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned these crumbs during
> at
> > > least 26
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > > > > 28 years
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > so i am content to believe
> them
> > > real as of
> > > > > > > 1976
> > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > maybe 1978
> > > > > > > > > > > > & looking forward to more &
> > > fresher data
> > > > > > > > > > > > via whatever aspiring
> clavoscopist
> > > > > > > provides it
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > & i have just been responding
> to
> > > your
> > > > > > > claim in
> > > > > > > > > > > > message 15272
> > > > > > > > > > > > of what you think we have
> > > > > > > > > > > > by telling you i know we once
> had
> > > them but
> > > > > > > i
> > > > > > > > > > > > seriously question if
> > > > > > > > > > > > we still have them
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > i am not stuck in your fantasy
> tho
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > & anyway time will tell
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > > > Michael
> > > > > > > > > > > > Kaufman
> > > > > > > > > > > > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > By the same token, the
> tripoint
> > > could
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > moved...maybe the
> cartogrophers
> > > just
> > > > > > > didn't
> > > > > > > > > > know
> > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it. The AMAZGE tripoint
> could
> > > have
> > > > > > > moved (or
> > > > > > > > > > even
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ceased to exist!) - it's
> just
> > > that it
> > > > > > > wasn't
> > > > > > > > > > shown
> > > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > said, "if something isnt
> shown
> > > or said
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > > > means
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it wasnt shown or said not
> that
> > > it was
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > wasnt a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > fact."
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- aletheiak
> <aletheiak@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanx
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > good idea specifically
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > & good for the aspiring
> > > clavoscopist
> > > > > > > to be
> > > > > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > diligent in any case
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but one cant presume the
> > > cartographers
> > > > > > > knew
> > > > > > > > > > > > anything
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > than what they actually
> drew
> > > or wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > if something isnt shown or
> > > said
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it only means it wasnt
> shown
> > > or said
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not that it was or wasnt a
> > > fact
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > & not that anyone had any
> > > specific
> > > > > > > inkling
> > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or even any
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > general awareness of it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > > > > > > "Lowell G.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > McManus"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike D. asked:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if the claves were
> > > discontinued
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their borders couldnt
> &
> > > wouldnt
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > been
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > redrawn but only
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eliminated or
> forgotten
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would the mapmakers
> have
> > > just
> > > > > > > scrawled a
> > > > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > purple cross
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over each clave to let
> us
> > > know in
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > case
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or exactly how would
> they
> > > redraw
> > > > > > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > had
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vanished
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short of erasing it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which they couldnt do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I the addition of a
> purple
> > > overprint
> > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > means of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > revision available,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the cartographers would
> > > likely have
> > > > > > > added
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > text
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > notation in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > purple that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such-and-such claves no
> > > longer
> > > > > > > existed. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > suggest
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you go
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > back and check
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the margins and legend
> of
> > > the map
> > > > > > > for such
> > > > > > > > > > > > purple
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > text.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lowell G. McManus
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leesville, Louisiana,
> USA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
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