--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "mikekaufman79"
<mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> Pene-enclave can mean almost an enclave in the sense of the
boundary
> lines almost come to a close but then widen back out. It can
also
> mean almost an enclave, meaning practical inaccessibility.
this & its various other ambiguities are why i avoid using that
word myself
> From the first interpretation, Jungholz is every bit as much an
> enclave as it is not an enclave (but yes a geographical pene-
> enclave). You can draw an infinite amount of uninterrupted
lines
> through the quadripoint from Austria to Austria, but you can do
the
> same from Germany to Germany.
> Now of course you can say that something which is just as
much an
> enclave as it is a pene-enclave in and of it self means it's a
pene-
> enclave.
yes of course you can
but why actually say it
& what does it mean
& can you relate it to any of the discussion
> From the second interpretation, it is a pene-enclave as it is not
> possible to reach Jungholz via the rest of Austria without ever
> leaving Austria. Since it is one point wide on top of a mountain.
forgive me
i am not trying to be cloudy
& i see lowell thinks he may see & agree with this
so i will at least stand by for clearance
but this too makes no sense to me
if you simply move across the quadripoint position
wherever it is actually located
you are in fact partly reaching one part of austria before fully
leaving the other
& it is impossible not to do so
& you are especially reaching one part of germany without
leaving the other
since germany has only one contiguous part there anyway by any
definition
>
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak"
<aletheiak@y...>
> wrote:
> > still i must concede
> > that is an extremely nice pene example
> > & indeed our closest thing to a real example yet
> > so it shouldnt just be dismissed out of hand
> > even if it might be rationalized away as somehow exceptional
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "L. A. Nadybal"
> > <lnadybal@c...> wrote:
> > > With the Anschluß of Austria by Germany, Jungholz
> > disappeared as the
> > > two countries became one; and then, after WWII, it
reappeared.
> > Now
> > > don't go splitting hairs about it being "only" a pene-. I know,
I
> > > know, I know.
> > >
> > > LN
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak"
> > <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Peter
Smaardijk"
> > > > <smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > it is unlikely that defunct claves would ever be
> deliberately
> > > > > > reconstituted if it could be avoided
> > > > > >
> > > > > > rather the general drift is almost entirely in the
opposite
> > > > > direction
> > > >
> > > > > Baarle-Hertog was once just a set of
> > > > > provincial enclaves. But they reconstituted those as
> > > > international
> > > > > ones when Belgium became independent.
> > > >
> > > > thats true
> > > > tho what i meant by reconstituted
> > > > is not just continued in a new format
> > > > for that seems common enough
> > > > but actually brought back from extinction
> > > >
> > > > & i cant think of a single instance of this at the moment
> > > >
> > > > can anyone