1. EU or not?
    Nicholas, Further to this discussion, an interesting paper on the subject can be found at: http://www.upei.ca/~iis/murray.html Regards, Kevin Meynell
    Sep 13, 2002 @ 12:30 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
  2. Re: EU or not?
    Peter, ... You re quite right. I got this mixed-up with the date of home rule, although from memory, I m sure the Greenlanders actually made the decision to
    Sep 13, 2002 @ 13:30 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
  3. Re: EU or not?
    Kevin Meynell wrote: (...) they [Canary is.] would seem to have a similar status to the Channel Islands as they re not considered to be part of the EU for
    Sep 13, 2002 @ 13:32 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  4. EU or not?
    hello everybody! three topics: 1) EU seccession: Greenland was not the only case; Algeria also seceeded from the EU (at that time known as European Common
    Sep 13, 2002 @ 14:01 - marco_polito ("marco_polito" <marco_polito@...>)
  5. Re: EU or not? (ERRATA CORRIGE)
    I made a mistake. Aland Is. are part of EU. About Gibraltar; My opinion is that Gibaltrar is part of EU under art.299 (previous 227), (4) of the EU treaty.
    Sep 13, 2002 @ 14:17 - marco_polito ("marco_polito" <marco_polito@...>)
  6. Re: EU or not?
    (...)[Well, no one is living there or doing anything there that might care...] Not yet, but how long before some enterprising person tries to do a Sealand
    Sep 13, 2002 @ 14:57 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
  7. Re: EU or not?
    Jan S. Krogh wrote: Most of Bouvet Is. is consisting of ice layers, but not all. Yes, you re quite correct, but another serious problem is the fact that the
    Sep 13, 2002 @ 15:25 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  8. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EU or not?
    I.e. sounds like most parts of - Norway ;-))) Jan ... From: Peter Smaardijk [mailto:smaardijk@yahoo.com] Yes, you re quite correct, but another serious problem
    Sep 13, 2002 @ 15:37 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
  9. EU or not?
    Peter, ... You re quite right that it s not a place where entrepreneurs would physically wish to go, but it has a useful country code (BV). At the height of
    Sep 13, 2002 @ 16:17 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
  10. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EU or not? (ERRATA CORRIGE)
    Gibraltar is definitely part of the EU, but outside the fiscal area of the EC (customs union). Just to remind the Spanish that Gibraltar is in the EU and
    Sep 13, 2002 @ 16:41 - Nicholas F Hodder ("Nicholas F Hodder" <lists@...>)
  11. Re: EU or not?
    Kevin Meynell wrote: (...)At the height of the .com boom, a number of companies were interested in selling .bv domains to Dutch companies. (...) BV is
    Sep 13, 2002 @ 19:19 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  12. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EU or not?
    ... From: Peter Smaardijk Jan S. Krogh wrote: Most of Bouvet Is. is consisting of ice layers, but not all. Yes, you re quite correct, but another serious
    Sep 13, 2002 @ 19:40 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
  13. Re: EU or not?
    ... Gomera, Penon de Alhucemas and the Chafarinas Islands are the only non ... A quibble: Acores & Madeira are considered to be part of Europe geographically.
    Sep 14, 2002 @ 07:31 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
  14. Re: EU or not? (ERRATA CORRIGE)
    ... between ... Hmm. EU yes, but not Schengen, as the UK isn t either. But once the UK enters Schengen, Spain is in trouble :).
    Sep 14, 2002 @ 07:36 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
  15. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EU or not? (ERRATA CORRIGE)
    Freedom of movement does not necessarily mean Schengen, as freedom of movement can involve immigration controls, just as there are between the UK and France.
    Sep 14, 2002 @ 08:56 - Nicholas F Hodder ("Nicholas F Hodder" <lists@...>)
  16. Re: EU or not?
    Grant ... The other issue is that Svalbard has a separate ISO code to the rest of Norway. I assume this is because of its special treaty status which grants
    Sep 15, 2002 @ 09:21 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
  17. Re: EU or not?
    ... those ... I agree; Madeira cannot be considered anything but Europe, Açores are on the mid-atlantinc ridge so they cannot be said as belonging to any
    Sep 16, 2002 @ 08:24 - marco_polito ("marco_polito" <marco_polito@...>)
  18. Re: EU or not?
    ... any ... But so is Iceland, yet it s considered part of Europe. Regards
    Sep 16, 2002 @ 10:02 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
  19. Re: EU or not on the Euro
    marco_polito wrote: (...) 2) Guyane Française, Martinique, Guadeloupe, La Réunion, Açores, Madeira, Canary Islands, Ceuta, Melilla, Penon de Velez de la
    Sep 19, 2002 @ 12:46 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  20. Re: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
    ... The initial design for the coins also made Portugal part of Spain, which the Portugese obviously weren t too pleased about. Needless to say, the final
    Sep 19, 2002 @ 13:10 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
  21. Moving borders
    I would like to draw you attention on moving borders; that s on places that have frequently chanced the state to which they belong. Four come to my mind: 1)
    Sep 19, 2002 @ 14:38 - marco_polito ("marco_polito" <marco_polito@...>)
  22. RE: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
    The main idea for the bank notes as far as I have understood was to picture something which could not be linked to any special country, because each country
    Sep 19, 2002 @ 20:09 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
  23. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Moving borders
    marco_polito [mailto:marco_polito@yahoo.fr] 1) Klaipeda (formerly Memel) until 1568: Polish-Lithuania until 1629: Polish until 1635: Sweden until 1757: Poland
    Sep 19, 2002 @ 20:58 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
  24. Re: EU or not on the Euro
    Kevin Meynell wrote: (...)If they must have a map, then it should just be a generic representation of Europe with no borders. (...) But Europe isn t an
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 08:49 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  25. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Moving borders
    ... From: Jan S. Krogh To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:58 PM Subject: RE: [BoundaryPoint] Moving borders marco_polito
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:03 - chris ("chris" <wertkauf@...>)
  26. Re: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
    Peter, ... This could also open a whole can of worms about whether the name European Union was appropriate ;-) Regards, Kevin Meynell
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:13 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
  27. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EU or not on the Euro
    Cyprus is Asia. Jan
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:19 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
  28. Re: EU or not on the Euro
    ... Actually the map on the coins is supposed to show EU member countries, regardless if they use the Euro or not (whilst the banknotes show a map of Europe,
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:25 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
  29. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Moving borders
    Chris, Very nice to hear. The first Lithuanian languaged book («Martynas Mažvydas Katekizmusa prasti žadei...» ) was printed on January 8th 1547 at
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:30 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
  30. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EU or not on the Euro
    I d say so, yes. But do they? With French DOM s in the EU, Spanish bits of territory outside Europe as well, Cyprus that s going to join it, Turkey maybe
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:29 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
  31. Re: EU or not on the Euro
    ... seen ... This is where the banknote design is inconsequent. It shows a _geographical_ map of Europe, but non-Europen EU territories are included, which is
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:30 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
  32. Re: EU or not on the Euro
    ... Is it? As I said a couple of days before, the definition of continents is but a convention, but again the one I m familiar with says Cyprus is in Europe.
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:31 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
  33. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EU or not on the Euro
    ... Sorry? What country is this? Peter S. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:32 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
  34. Re: EU or not on the Euro
    ... But that s a different cup of tea. The EBU (European Broadcasting Union, who organise the Eurovision song contest) has a couple of non- European members:
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:38 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
  35. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EU or not on the Euro
    The European Commonwealth of Nations – or the European Reich ? ;-))) Jan The European Commonwealth of Nations – or the European Reich ? ;-))) Jan
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:40 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
  36. Re: EU or not on the Euro
    ... Eek! Denmark. My fingers slipped while typing. Yahoo has garbled my lovingly crafted table anyway. All the spaces were removed, which makes is ugly. Sorry!
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:41 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
  37. Re: EU or not on the Euro
    ... Funny man! No, it s European that is going to be a problem! Peter S.
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:41 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  38. Re: EU or not on the Euro
    OK! I thought it was some strange slavic-speaking country. You know, the one with signs saying Pozor! Debnarj at the border. Peter S.
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:43 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  39. Re: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
    ... According to the UN definitions, Cyprus is in Asia... http://www.un.org/Depts/unsd/methods/m49regin.htm These definitions actually give no end of grief. In
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 09:59 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
  40. Re: Moving borders
    Who could ask for more? Congratulations! ... give up ... the ... Union
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 10:21 - marco_polito ("marco_polito" <marco_polito@...>)
  41. Re: EU or not on the Euro
    Therefore you re saying that the EU s neither European, nor an Union?
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 10:29 - marco_polito ("marco_polito" <marco_polito@...>)
  42. Cypus
    Europe, unlike other continents, is not defined on a geographical basis, but on a cultural basis. Cyprus is Europe.
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 10:49 - marco_polito ("marco_polito" <marco_polito@...>)
  43. Re: EU or not on the Euro
    ... European Zollverein
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 10:51 - marco_polito ("marco_polito" <marco_polito@...>)
  44. Re: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
    ... The organisation I work for uses the term Trans-European to cover Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. Unfortunately, this still has the problem
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 11:37 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
  45. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Cypus
    So Bosnia i Hercegovina is Asia? ... From: marco_polito [mailto:marco_polito@yahoo.fr] Sent: 20. september 2002 12:50 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 11:36 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
  46. Re: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
    Hope it s clear after this Europe: In Europe, 261 million people in 21 countries and territories with 2,252,526 km² use the Euro or a currency pegged to it.
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 11:44 - Franc Van Diest ("Franc Van Diest" <franc@vdiest.nl>)
  47. RE: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
    Thanks Frank, Lithuania is forgotten on the map as well as all the Asia...? Jan ... From: Franc Van Diest [mailto:franc@vdiest.nl] Sent: 20. september 2002
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 12:04 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
  48. Re: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
    Hallo Jan Perhaps you missed it in the list Lithuania a.. Lithuania, independant country 1 ? = 3.4528 Litas Asia ? Euro ? As far as I know only East Timor uses
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 12:25 - Franc Van Diest ("Franc Van Diest" <franc@...>)
  49. RE: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
    OK. Strange no Asian area is using the euro. Regarding Lithuania I only had the map in mind. (Lithuania is missing.) Best regards, Jan ... From: Franc Van
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 12:31 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
  50. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Cypus
    There are other points of interest !? If you look at the international telephone codes you will see that both Cyprus and Turkey are on the Asia (middle East)
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 12:32 - Franc Van Diest ("Franc Van Diest" <franc@...>)
  51. RE: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
    Depends on where you draw the continent borders. Kerguelen? Peter S. ... __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 12:35 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
  52. Re: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
    It is only missing on the map because it is not an Euro country yet Ragards Franc ... From: Jan S. Krogh To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday,
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 12:40 - Franc Van Diest ("Franc Van Diest" <franc@...>)
  53. Re: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
    Also that was answered Beside these, there are the French Southern Territories (Amsterdam, Crozet, Kerguelen and St-Paul), 7822 km² only inhabited by
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 12:52 - Franc Van Diest ("Franc Van Diest" <franc@...>)
  54. Re: EU or not on the Euro
    ... Crozet, ... well as ... Well, my question was not about whether they use the euro there (as a matter of fact they were the very first to use it), but
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 13:04 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  55. RE: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
    Yes, just as much as Estonia and Bulgaria are. The national currency is pegged to euro. Jan ... From: Franc Van Diest [mailto:franc@vdiest.nl] Sent: 20.
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 13:10 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
  56. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EU or not on the Euro
    If you would like to go into discussing continental borders, i have a lot of info for you to solve How can the Kerguelen, etc. be part of Asia ? They are in
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 13:15 - Franc Van Diest ("Franc Van Diest" <franc@...>)
  57. Re: EU or not on the Euro
    ... to ... as ... I like this map: http://userpage.fu- berlin.de/~tmuehle/europa/europa/europadat/europa_karte.htm Of course it has no official status, and I
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 15:20 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
  58. Re: Cypus
    ... both Cyprus and Turkey are on the Asia (middle East) exchange Shall we base our continent categories on the technical considerations of telecom boards. The
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 15:47 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
  59. Re: EU or not on the Euro
    ... there s ... even ... we ... connected ... that s ... etc etc etc first congrats to you one & all for this unprecedented free for all which has created
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 18:13 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
  60. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: EU or not on the Euro
    Can our European members fill me in on the status of Switzerland? With so many countries clammoring to join the EU, many that may not even been European
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 18:17 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@...>)
  61. Re: EU or not on the Euro
    ... i am of european ancestry & i think switzerland is actually the eye of the tiger so it too has to be a hole m
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 19:34 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
  62. Re: EU or not on the Euro
    ... Not necessarily a bad positon from their POV. Anyway, Switzerland is not in the EU yet, but it has signed a couple of contracts about liberalising border
    Sep 21, 2002 @ 09:42 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
  63. Re: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
    ... Switzerland also participates in many EU activities such as EURATOM and the information technology programme. Regards, Kevin Meynell
    Sep 21, 2002 @ 10:16 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
  64. EU and other European countries (-> Was: EU or not on the Euro)
    Victor, This you are here entering a very interesting problem seen from my point. Switzerland is not a EU member country, but I feel that is not the same as
    Sep 21, 2002 @ 11:34 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
  65. Re: EU and other European countries (-> Was: EU or not on the Euro)
    ... time. ... different ... to ... long if it ... I agree! It should strive to become a cooperative of independent nations, not one country. It should also
    Sep 21, 2002 @ 12:58 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
  66. Re: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
    Yes, but some women spend so much money they count for two :-) Jesper ... From: Christian Berghänel To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September
    Sep 23, 2002 @ 15:41 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  67. Re: [BoundaryPoint] EU or not on the Euro
    ... Come on, Jesper, that is the kind of attitude that gets us laughed at by women for being a border freak............ Kidding. ... Could it be that the list
    Sep 23, 2002 @ 17:06 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  68. Re: [BoundaryPoint] EU and other European countries
    Jan, ... Although I m not disputing your tale, many of these EU scarce stories are actually the result of national governments implementing unpopular
    Sep 30, 2002 @ 20:33 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
  69. Re: EU and other European countries
    ... Furthermore, ... things ... Often because a product is for some reason US-centered. Anything computer related for example; e.g. computer monitor sizes are
    Oct 03, 2002 @ 14:59 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
  70. Re: Moving borders
    what events do you use to back up these sovereignties of Klaipeda? ... by
    Oct 08, 2002 @ 22:39 - kbajoras ("kbajoras" <kbajoras@...>)
  71. Re: EU or not on the Euro
    Well, these guy JUST JOINED the UNITED NATIONS!!!! So EU is still long away. Maybe they ll go together with Russia, in a 100 yeras or so :) And why not, they
    Oct 08, 2002 @ 22:56 - kbajoras ("kbajoras" <kbajoras@...>)
  72. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Moving borders
    What concrete do you have in mind...? Jan ... From: kbajoras [mailto:kbajoras@yahoo.com] Sent: 9. oktober 2002 00:39 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Subject:
    Oct 09, 2002 @ 17:33 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
  73. Re: Moving borders
    Well, what events caused the following shifts in sovereignty: until 1568: Polish-Lithuania ( I though Klaipeda never was in Lithuanian Grand Duchy since it was
    Oct 09, 2002 @ 20:26 - kbajoras ("kbajoras" <kbajoras@...>)