1. Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    This is a theoretical question, just out of curiosity, but may not be hypothetical. By treaty, the Cananda/USA border along the 49th parallel is defined by
    Jul 21, 2004 @ 20:38 - Dave Patton [DCP] ("Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@...>)
  2. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    very interesting i dont think any stateless land is actually created by it tho rather i believe idwa must continue effectively due north the extra half inch or
    Jul 21, 2004 @ 21:10 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  3. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    were you actually able to sight along the caus line from marker 195 to marker 194 across the face of the 1909 idwa terminal marker that must be about 850 feet
    Jul 21, 2004 @ 21:32 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  4. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    I agree that no non-state land was created when the CAUS boundary was moved from the theoretical 49th parallel to straight line segments between intervisible
    Jul 21, 2004 @ 22:38 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  5. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    but is the boundary defined as straight line great circle arcs or straight lines on flat maps. great circle arcs mean the tripoint would be north of the
    Jul 22, 2004 @ 01:31 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  6. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    BUS&SS says, of the Treaty with Great Britain, 1925 : Article II of the treaty made the lines between monuments established under the treaty of 1908 on the
    Jul 22, 2004 @ 03:05 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  7. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    caus runs along the straight sight lines from one caus marker to the next caus marker & these lines always appear as straight lines on flat maps but tho they
    Jul 22, 2004 @ 03:57 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  8. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    ... No - that s impossible given the terrain in the area. ... Information from a conversation with a surveyor who, in part, is using information from the old
    Jul 22, 2004 @ 05:36 - Dave Patton [DCP] ("Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@...>)
  9. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    ok i was imagining you actually had a sight line or else actually performed great circle distance computations based on the published or empirically determined
    Jul 22, 2004 @ 07:13 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  10. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    dave i also just realized your best guessed position for true bcidwa of about half an inch north of disk center if i have understood everything right is still
    Jul 22, 2004 @ 14:27 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  11. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    ahh but heres something better we can still do for true bcidwa without waiting for bulletin 466 since we realize the point we are seeking lies by definition at
    Jul 22, 2004 @ 16:33 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  12. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    What exactly is the political status of the UN.Has the land alloted it in NYC been surrendered to the UN as an entity separate from the USA..or is the space
    Jul 29, 2004 @ 18:26 - raedwulf16 ("raedwulf16" <raedwulf16@...>)
  13. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    I do not know the precise status of the property as to land ownership or to the UN s tenure upon it, but its political status is somewhat analogous to that of
    Jul 29, 2004 @ 18:43 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  14. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    the united nations itself calls the entire 18 acres an international zone & describes it as a condo belonging to all 191 of its members
    Jul 29, 2004 @ 21:46 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  15. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    I must say that the UN site does not use the word condominium, but calls its 18 acres an international zone belonging to all Member States. This begs the
    Jul 29, 2004 @ 23:28 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  16. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    Lowell- Thanks for these quotes. I see what you say about east of the Rockies. But then for the section west of the Rockies: The line so defined and laid
    Jul 30, 2004 @ 05:02 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  17. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    the bible also says the 1908 gbus treaty described caus in 8 sections & provided for the appointment of a joint commission to recover or restore previously
    Jul 30, 2004 @ 08:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  18. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    well then i must say it was i who chose the word condo the informal word for condominium to informally describe this situation of joint rule or ownership of
    Jul 30, 2004 @ 08:30 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  19. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    Interesting that the obvious, the District of Columbia, hasn t been mentioned in this context. Concerning D.C., has any group member ever visited the northern
    Jul 30, 2004 @ 14:28 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
  20. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    The original documents almost always clarify the commentaries. The 1925 treaty details the situation remaining from 1908 in the segment east of the Rockies,
    Jul 30, 2004 @ 16:31 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  21. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    happily many intertwingles below ... been mentioned ... actually there is a fleeting mention of it deep in message 14866 ... northern DC-MD-VA ... yes but i
    Jul 30, 2004 @ 17:51 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  22. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    important correction inserted ... 14866 ... this guess was a blunder by me i now realize but it only underscores the importance of the matthews & nelson data
    Jul 31, 2004 @ 01:16 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  23. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    ... commentaries. good point & why consult the bible if you can read god so can you dish up the 1908 text like that too ... the segment east of ... of the text
    Jul 31, 2004 @ 01:46 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  24. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    I have found the 1908 treaty since writing my message below. It is at http://www.lexum.umontreal.ca/ca_us/en/cus.1908.299.en.html . All Canado-american
    Jul 31, 2004 @ 03:03 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  25. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    ok thanx so now that we have heard them all the gods do say both that there really were 2 slightly different regimes in effect on opposite sides of the rocky
    Jul 31, 2004 @ 14:22 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  26. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    The line so laid down has to do with what is marked on the charts and agreed to by the commissioners. Ok, borderline nitpicking here but it never says
    Aug 03, 2004 @ 03:14 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  27. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    It is the 1925 treaty that specifies a series of right or straight lines joining adjacent monuments ... in lieu of the definition ... quoted in Article VI of
    Aug 03, 2004 @ 05:02 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  28. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    ... http://www.internationalboundarycommission.org/treaties.htm In 1925, a further treaty made minor adjustments in the boundary line at Grand Manan Channel,
    Aug 03, 2004 @ 05:06 - Dave Patton [DCP] ("Dave Patton [DCP]" <dpatton@...>)
  29. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    Ok reading your and Dave s responses, I realize I may not have been clear. I completely agree with the fact that the 1925 treaty changed the Eastern section
    Aug 03, 2004 @ 06:14 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  30. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    i could understand nitpicking for a multipointing try indeed i wouldnt have it any other way than nitpicking but what would be the point of borderline
    Aug 03, 2004 @ 08:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  31. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    I think that the essential difference between the situations along the 49th parallel east and west of the Rocky Mountains was this: Pursuant to the Treaty of
    Aug 03, 2004 @ 17:59 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  32. Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    thanxx to both of you for picking this intrinsically interesting nit regardless of its irrelevancy to multipointing since in fairness something on the order of
    Aug 03, 2004 @ 18:48 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  33. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    The 1925 treaty tells us that the maximum width of the average sliver was four inches, and the maximum width of the largest one was 21.6 inches. That should
    Aug 03, 2004 @ 19:15 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  34. dcmdvan & mdvawv was Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    special to spooky please look for further developments inserted far below ... correct ... nelson ... tripoint ... water ... to ... source so i have ordered
    Aug 04, 2004 @ 19:50 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  35. Re: dcmdvan & mdvawv was Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    In a message dated 8/5/04 6:15:28 AM, BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com writes:
    Aug 07, 2004 @ 21:51 - spookymike@aol.com (spookymike@...)
  36. dcmdvan & mdvawv was Re: Possible to have land in USA that isn't in a State?
    well i expect to be drifting south thru that neighborhood around the middle of october with the foliage peak & then returning northbound again around cherry
    Aug 08, 2004 @ 00:14 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  37. DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail
    The description of the Potomac Heitage Trail at http://www.washdc.org/trail8.html says that west of the Chain Bridge, the trail is located beneath the high
    Aug 08, 2004 @ 22:16 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
  38. Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail
    i saw that in the trail blurb & on the topo too & figured it must be so even tho the trail is named for the river & even tho it sounds & looks fully 500 feet
    Aug 08, 2004 @ 23:50 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  39. Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail
    If you will go to the extreme close-up April 2002 Urban Areas color aerial photo at http://tinyurl.com/3kko5 , you will see the area of the tripoint. These
    Aug 09, 2004 @ 05:59 - lowellgmcmanus ("lowellgmcmanus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  40. Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail
    insertions ahead ... yes great source thanx ... of ... be ... between ... it is almost undoubtedly parallel to arfa but most probably at a short remove from it
    Aug 09, 2004 @ 13:38 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  41. Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail
    further observations the potomac heritage trail detour avoids an unknown number of obstacles at river level in the mile or so between the mouth of pimmit run &
    Aug 09, 2004 @ 14:31 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  42. Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail
    I think the high resolution aerial photo shows another high-end house under construction. Most of the light-colored area is the lot and the house sits at the
    Aug 10, 2004 @ 01:26 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
  43. Map sites and Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail
    Guys...Sorry to burst the bubble, but according to both the Fairfax and Arlington GIS sites, the boundary is not on the walls of the complex. GIS sites can be
    Aug 10, 2004 @ 02:28 - Arif Samad (Arif Samad <fHoiberg@...>)
  44. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail
    The Arlington County Department of Real Estate Assessments has EVERYTHING on the web, including details on all addresses lots, structures, appraisals, and
    Aug 10, 2004 @ 05:56 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  45. Re: Map sites and Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail
    Wow! I guess Arif and I passed each other in cyberspace without even knowing it! Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: Arif Samad
    Aug 10, 2004 @ 05:59 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  46. Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail
    ... has EVERYTHING on the ... appraisals, and ... fine couple of ... because it s ... development ... something called ... Pennsylvania Avenue NW, ... from the
    Aug 10, 2004 @ 10:02 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  47. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail
    See three (numbered) insertions below. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: aletheiak To:
    Aug 10, 2004 @ 16:05 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  48. Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail
    great great great & please look for 3 from me too ... Trail ... McManus ... Assessments ... spent a ... steps, ... to ... block ... corporation ... have ...
    Aug 10, 2004 @ 17:08 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  49. Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail & baarle quadripoint
    special to lowell & peter from the library ... as ... ok i see it now & it is indeed a substantial improvement over my previous try & it even shows me how i
    Aug 10, 2004 @ 19:01 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  50. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail & baarle quadripoint
    I m glad to have been of help. Where were you looking the last time you were there? Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: aletheiak
    Aug 10, 2004 @ 21:19 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  51. Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail & baarle quadripoint
    it looks like i was centering my search maybe 10 or 15 yards too far upstream due mainly to the unexpected mismatch of the property line & county line & i
    Aug 10, 2004 @ 21:55 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  52. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail & baarle quadripoint
    I keep looking at the Fairfax County aerial photo and the Urban Areas photo on Terraserver. I think that the best way to find the boundary below the bluff
    Aug 11, 2004 @ 02:59 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  53. Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail & baarle quadripoint
    exactly & i also have the same rocks in profile in my river level pix with very substantial agreement of many other features too so even assuming some slight
    Aug 11, 2004 @ 04:01 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  54. Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail & baarle quadripoint
    I was thinking along the same lines and went looking for some existing photos of that stretch of river. Here is a decent starting point:
    Aug 11, 2004 @ 20:19 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
  55. Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail & baarle quadripoint
    good shooting from the looks of this pic you could well be at or near true dcmdvan also my scanning is taking longer than expected but i should soon be able to
    Aug 11, 2004 @ 21:37 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  56. Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail & baarle quadripoint
    ... by boat ... for ... even in drought make that a kayak rather than any boat per se & you will still need to wing & pray furiously these so called little
    Aug 12, 2004 @ 17:47 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  57. Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail & baarle quadripoint
    I was using the term boat in a generic way and of course a kayak would be the most appropriate species of boat. My thinking was to slide into the low-water
    Aug 12, 2004 @ 18:18 - bjbutlerus ("bjbutlerus" <bjbutler@...>)
  58. Re: DCMDVAN via Potomac Heritage Trail
    ... for ... i can certainly understand the wisdom of praying for drought here & this site has again proved useful & i think will continue to be most
    Sep 22, 2004 @ 19:12 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)