Subject: Re: Possible to have land in USA that  isn&#39;t in a State?<br/>
Date: Jul 22, 2004 @ 07:13<br/>
Author: aletheiak (&quot;aletheiak&quot; &lt;aletheiak@...&gt;)<br/>
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<div id="ygrps-yiv-1496550033">ok<br/>
i was imagining you actually had a sight line<br/>
or else actually performed great circle distance computations <br/>
based on the published or empirically determined geocoords for <br/>
all 3 markers<br/>
on which to base your estimated half inch offset <br/>
& to claim a correspondingly measured class b visit<br/>
<br/>
so evidently it was not quite so punctilious as i had thought<br/>
<br/>
but still <br/>
you are certainly looking at no less than a very close class c visit<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
also it may be worth noting that if the 1909 idwa marker really <br/>
was set exactly on the 49th parallel as i believe your informant <br/>
reported<br/>
however improbably so <br/>
given the state of survey art as of that date<br/>
it would not have fallen south of caus <br/>
as he apparently also concluded <br/>
but north of it<br/>
by both the nad27 & the nad83 ibs coords<br/>
yikes<br/>
<br/>
& that would mean the disk center isnt in the usa at all but in <br/>
canada<br/>
yikes<br/>
& that true bcidwa isnt half an inch north but some unknown <br/>
distance south of the disk center<br/>
<br/>
which direction is frankly hard to believe<br/>
tho thats what the data as presented are adding up to saying<br/>
<br/>
so happily we still have somewhere to go in fine tuning this one<br/>
<br/>
usgs bulletin 466 for starters<br/>
since the bible promises it somehow ties the markers together<br/>
<br/>
--- In <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com">BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com</a>, &quot;Dave Patton [DCP]&quot; <br/>
&lt;dpatton@c...&gt; wrote:<br/>
<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; At 02:32 PM 2004/07/21, aletheiak wrote:<br/>
&gt; &gt;were you actually able to sight along the caus line from <br/>
 </span></blockquote>marker<br/>
<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; &gt;195 to marker 194 across the face of the 1909 idwa terminal <br/>
 </span></blockquote>marker<br/>
<blockquote><span title="ireply"> &gt; <br/>
&gt; No - that&#39;s impossible given the terrain in the area.<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; &gt;or exactly how did your discovery of this eccentric point <br/>
 </span></blockquote>location<br/>
<blockquote><span title="qreply"> &gt; &gt;take place<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; Information from a conversation with a surveyor who, in part,<br/>
&gt; is using information from the old USGS bulletin. It was a brief<br/>
&gt; conversation, and I don&#39;t have the bulletin, and the surveyor<br/>
&gt; was going from memory, so don&#39;t rely on any specifics.<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; As I said, it raised in my mind the theoretical possibility,<br/>
&gt; but now I think it&#39;s not a valid concern, because the state<br/>
&gt; boundaries are terminated at an &#39;imaginary&#39; point where the<br/>
&gt; line meets the Canada/USA border, regardless of where the<br/>
&gt; monument is located.<br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; <br/>
&gt; -- <br/>
&gt; Dave Patton<br/>
&gt; Canadian Coordinator, Degree Confluence Project<br/>
&gt; <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.confluence.org/">http://www.confluence.org/</a><br/>
&gt; My website: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://members.shaw.ca/davepatton/">http://members.shaw.ca/davepatton/</a> </span></blockquote></div>