- Largest enclave
Which is the largest enclave in relations to the main area? How about Equatorial Guninea? http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ek.html If the
Mar 11, 2001 @ 15:48 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
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you feast us on some delicious & mind altering questions here jesper for first in the case of equatorial guinea tho far separated by the bight of biafra the 2
Mar 11, 2001 @ 18:46 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
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& another question i believe you have asked here jesper but you may or may not actually have meant could be the richest one of all namely which enclave i s
Mar 11, 2001 @ 23:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
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No. Enclaves have to be totally surrounded by one other entity. Eq.G. s mainland is coastal and borders two other countries on land. However, it is an
Mar 11, 2001 @ 23:26 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
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Lesotho is not an enclave either. An enclave must be PART of a larger entity. It is an ENCLAVED STATE, which differes from an ENCLAVE, as is made clear by
Mar 11, 2001 @ 23:34 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
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... Brendan, you have no authority to say this!! Neither does Catalud. I can state that Lesotho definitely IS an enclave, and Michael just said that, so now it
Mar 12, 2001 @ 00:22 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
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i have a map by prescott that shows the 2 apparent fragments of equatorial guinea to be connected by maritime territory & thus not to really be fragments at
Mar 12, 2001 @ 05:11 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
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I think the martimie terr is an EEZ, and not territorial sea. Which means a foreign naval presence can move through it. But the point of rragments is that they
Mar 12, 2001 @ 05:25 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
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this is good stuff brendan & the distinctions are useful are you saying then that you think equatorial guinea does have an exclave as the question was about
Mar 12, 2001 @ 07:07 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
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in norman nicholson 1979 the boundaries of the canadian confederation i just saw the 1959 intl conf on the law of the sea gave all coastal countries exclusive
Mar 12, 2001 @ 22:50 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
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No. No claves, ex or en. The mainland bit i would call a fragment of the island, as the island has the larger population and more importantly the capital. The
Mar 12, 2001 @ 22:50 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
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Martin, Why is it so important that the exclave is surrounded by only one other unit? In other words, why can t the municipality of Voeren in Belgium be an
Mar 12, 2001 @ 23:00 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
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Oops... I meant Brendan of course. Sorry Peter S. ... the ... unit.
Mar 12, 2001 @ 23:02 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
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Take the examples of Azerbaijan which has true enclaves in Armenia, as well as the larger FRAGMENT of Nakhichevan between Armenia., Turkey and Iran. An enclave
Mar 12, 2001 @ 23:57 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
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... Mont St. Michel is *****NOT***** disconnected from France at high tide, and was not disconnected from France even before the causeway was built, because
Mar 13, 2001 @ 00:31 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
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... Ok, bad example. Use Lindisfarne instead: no causeway. But you get the point, there is a continuum of discontinuity from islands near the shore, all the
Mar 13, 2001 @ 01:14 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
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thank you brendan also for this partial concession to my ordinary
pedestrian usage of the clave words
but neither my dogeared american heritage dictionary nor
Mar 13, 2001 @ 03:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
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thats ok i am sure we would all love to hear from martin on this or any other topic & i too should have meant peter & wolfgang when i actually said gartner a
Mar 13, 2001 @ 03:51 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
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... My understanding of -claves runs along the same lines. Just to add to the discussion - and I m open for arguments to the contrary: I think there are three
Mar 13, 2001 @ 07:48 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
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thanxx to peter & especially to martin for the further clave & sovereignty
elucidations
& i am glad to learn equatorial guinea is truly exclavic
nicholsons
Mar 13, 2001 @ 15:10 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
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another couple of refinements here for another couple of fascinating lists those of the topologically equivalent exclave bedfellows please add french guiana &
Mar 13, 2001 @ 15:15 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
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... I wonder if you can call Eq. Guinea exclavic. Is the island completely detached from the continental part? I would say not, because in order to go from the
Mar 13, 2001 @ 15:10 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
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... Jungholz meets one part of the definition ( 100% surrounded by another unit ) but not the other ( separated from that unit ). I do not at all like the
Mar 13, 2001 @ 15:08 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
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whole hearted agreement here peter & i was especially glad to see your recognition of every mans land while now that we definitely have a lady present i
Mar 13, 2001 @ 17:39 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
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yes i agree & i see you have also anticipated my hole card point here too the overseas classes both the insular & the continental of so called claves dont at
Mar 13, 2001 @ 18:22 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
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In short: claves should always be surrounded by dry land. We might expand this notion, and include territorial waters as well (inland waters (like rivers) are
Mar 13, 2001 @ 22:36 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
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... In this case 100% surrounded by another unit does NOT equate to separated. Singularity! The 100% surrounded part means not more than one neighbour (ie
Mar 13, 2001 @ 23:19 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
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Even if one has some form of sovereignty over territorial waters, the difference with soil is that if I lean over a border fence and dig a hole in your country
Mar 13, 2001 @ 23:38 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
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... Not land locked-- land is irrelevant to the fiat objects we are dealing with here. But land-plus-12-mile-limit-locked. If one can reach international
Mar 13, 2001 @ 23:40 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
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But the major thing about fragments of nay type is ACCESS Anyone can pass through your terr. seas without permission. BUT they can t pass through your land
Mar 13, 2001 @ 23:57 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
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... wow i wasnt expecting this conclusion either evidently you dont want to consider campione or the malawi mozambique pair or any of the spanish moroccan
Mar 14, 2001 @ 04:01 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
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My opinion (and I stress it is just that): dry land, which includes internal water (Campione, Malawi), and possibly (although I would go a long way with what
Mar 14, 2001 @ 08:51 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <peter.smaardijk@...>)
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... intervening ... sure on ... Is this standing international jurisdiction? If it is, I can think of countries that couldn t care less. I think of the major
Mar 14, 2001 @ 09:37 - peter.smaardijk@and.com (peter.smaardijk@...)
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Peter (and others), I agree exactly with this. Especially the part where inland waters or truly sovereign territorial seas can cleave a clave, that for clave
Mar 14, 2001 @ 12:53 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
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i would expect a good dictionary to go at such lengths just to describe claves & i think that is one very good reason why we have all been writing it mclaves
Mar 14, 2001 @ 22:34 - michael donner (michael donner <m@...>)
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Lakes are part of one s territory, water and lakebed. Thus the Swiss are able to prevent Itlaian armed personell (police or military) from boating to Campione
Mar 14, 2001 @ 22:52 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
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Any enclave, if recognised as foreign by the host state, as a consequence of that recognition must be endowed with the foreign sovereingty which necessitates
Mar 14, 2001 @ 23:01 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)