1. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    On GCEBE Fran tried to reach the tp island . According to the line on the last marker before the tp, the island was not hosting the tripoint. The CEBT-team
    Jul 16, 2004 @ 14:05 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  2. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    ... was not hosting the tripoint. ... requests we should carry out there? ... yes now that we are confident that the thalweg marks both chli & atch could you
    Jul 16, 2004 @ 15:04 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  3. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    For the last stretch of ATLI towards ATCHLIn see http://tinyurl.com/4jeut The last markers are 135 and 136. Peter S. ... island ... bank ... needed
    Jul 16, 2004 @ 16:14 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  4. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    ... 136 looks like to be a targeting marker on the Swiss bank... Peter S.
    Jul 16, 2004 @ 16:21 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  5. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    I forgot to say: for the full text, click on Geltende Fassung (includes co-ordinates for all border markers).
    Jul 16, 2004 @ 16:31 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  6. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    even better thanx & which also raises the question for checking whatever the actual marker numbers prove to be is the tripoint correctly positioned on the
    Jul 16, 2004 @ 16:36 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  7. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    ... atli ... anyway The border is defined to be geradlinig (in a straight line) from marker 134 to 135 (54 metres), and geradlinig from 135 to 136 (160
    Jul 16, 2004 @ 16:40 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  8. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    ... (160 ... thanx again & i also determined by comparing & crunching the geocoords you just provided that markers 136 & 135 & 134 are indeed in very
    Jul 16, 2004 @ 17:20 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  9. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    What happened to 136? http://www.geocities.com/mafiapetedk/tpatchfl1.html 134 is missing too. Jesper ... From: Peter Smaardijk To:
    Jul 18, 2004 @ 21:32 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  10. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    precisely my point in message 14664 which of course trumps everything previously tried or requested unless you can find either marker 134 or marker 136 & use
    Jul 18, 2004 @ 22:43 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  11. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    ... I think I can see it. See red circle on attached picture from Peter. M __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you
    Jul 19, 2004 @ 19:28 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@yahoo.com>)
  12. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    Would they place a ATFL marker in CH? Doubt it. But we can check. Jesper ... From: Ernst Stavro Blofeld To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July
    Jul 20, 2004 @ 09:25 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  13. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    yes yes yes it is common practice to mark river tripoints this way & the geocoordinate data brought by peter vouch that precisely this is the case here or at
    Jul 20, 2004 @ 15:11 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  14. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    Why are we using FL ? I assume that you refer to Liechtenstein, but the ISO country code list at
    Jul 20, 2004 @ 15:58 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  15. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    fl is for furstentum or fuerstentum liechtenstein which is liechtenstinian for principality of liechtenstein jesper knows li is also for liechtenstein but he
    Jul 20, 2004 @ 17:57 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  16. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    See my insertions below. Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: aletheiak To: Sent:
    Jul 20, 2004 @ 19:44 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  17. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    I have never seen any boundary marker on third part land. Examples? Jesper ... From: aletheiak To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004
    Jul 20, 2004 @ 20:45 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  18. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    ... FL is the designator for Liechtenstein according to the UN Conventions on Road Traffic. It s therefore included on the ISO 3166 reserved list so that it
    Jul 20, 2004 @ 21:41 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <knm@...>)
  19. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    ... Btw, United States abbreviated in french is EU (Etats Unis). EU is also, as y all know, the english abbreviation of the union that the french (sometimes
    Jul 20, 2004 @ 22:20 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
  20. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    bedelu defrlu cnkpru possibly other postsoviets etc ... precisely ... with ... too ... the 3 ... correct ... first ... a ... Terms ... of Service.
    Jul 20, 2004 @ 23:28 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  21. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    Yes and in German, the abbreviation is VS - technically. Although USA is official there and elsewhere in Europe for both European auto ovals and European
    Jul 21, 2004 @ 00:19 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  22. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    ... ISO ... abbreviating boundaries and ... yes i am sure this was deliberately slightly strange bp behavior by jesper since he recognizes atchlin & atchlis
    Jul 21, 2004 @ 00:45 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  23. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    Double your pleasure, double your fun In Spanish it s often los EEUU (or EE.UU or E.E.U.U.) for Estados Unidos. ...
    Jul 21, 2004 @ 02:23 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  24. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    mats was right in the first place & still is even after eu has been doubled & redoubled however if at first we dont succeed &or are caught stealing second then
    Jul 21, 2004 @ 04:14 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  25. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    BEDELU: On BE bank: indirect BEDE marker 1 On DE bank: indirect BEDE marker 1 On LU bank: indirect DELU marker 52 DEFRLU: Two markers, One marking DEFR, just
    Jul 22, 2004 @ 19:29 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  26. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    article 3 in message 12459 ... discussed it earlier), another marker on LU bank (as far as I remember no visable markings) ... among ... the ... visit to ...
    Jul 22, 2004 @ 19:54 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  27. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    Looks like a bush to me. See attachment. Jesper ... From: Ernst Stavro Blofeld To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 9:28 PM Subject:
    Jul 26, 2004 @ 18:18 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@image.dk>)
  28. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    ... Aha! But I ran the picture through some highly sophisticated satellite image analysis software that we have here at my top secret work. It clearly
    Jul 26, 2004 @ 18:55 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@yahoo.com>)
  29. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    How far is 135 from 136? Jesper ... From: Ernst Stavro Blofeld To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 8:55 PM Subject: Re:
    Jul 26, 2004 @ 20:13 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  30. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    159 meters & 982 millimeters why ... of Service.
    Jul 26, 2004 @ 21:13 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  31. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    then it cannot be the one on the other bank... ... From: aletheiak To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 11:13 PM Subject:
    Jul 26, 2004 @ 21:16 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  32. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    what do you mean all indications are that 135 & 136 are a pair of riverbank sighting rocks ... Terms ... of Service.
    Jul 26, 2004 @ 21:29 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  33. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    ... Are you quite sure? I am afraid I don t have a good topomap of the area, but I have attached a scan from the area where the southern border of LI enters
    Jul 26, 2004 @ 21:49 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@yahoo.com>)
  34. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    Maybe it seems too long of a distance to fit the picture? I would not have guessed 160 meters would be the distance between the red circle and marker 135. (I
    Jul 26, 2004 @ 23:53 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  35. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    theres a lot you can tell without having been there nor does having been there necessarily mean you can tell thanx to everything we have learned but especially
    Jul 27, 2004 @ 01:43 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  36. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    I agree it is reasonable after seeing these 3 pics. If the true sight line can be found (135-136), that would be better than 135-134. So I hope we see 136
    Jul 27, 2004 @ 02:00 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  37. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    exactly but as mentioned 136 is only millimetrically better than 134 & 134 is only centimetrically better than 133 & the line on top of 135 alone is of unknown
    Jul 27, 2004 @ 03:50 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  38. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    ... this has finally arrived in good form & it led me back to http://www.ris.bka.gv.at/taweb-cgi/taweb where distances as well as intermediate markers are
    Jul 27, 2004 @ 18:23 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  39. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    what evidence do you mean i have already answered this with chapter & verse in messages 14729 & 12459 it is marker number 2 there why not read that text but
    Jul 27, 2004 @ 22:12 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  40. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    OK. We will solve this dispute in a few weeks. Anyway, looked at the video I took at ATCHLIN during GCEBE, and there were a bm# 134. I also shoot several
    Jul 28, 2004 @ 18:56 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  41. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    ok good & we know 134 is virtually as fine as 136 so you have very effectively made your point i dont understand dispute ... and there were a bm# 134. I also
    Jul 28, 2004 @ 19:07 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  42. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    Do we know what RM as in RM Granitstein means? Jesper ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 6:40 PM
    Aug 03, 2004 @ 18:50 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  43. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    we could guess since rm apparently applies only to the mysterious 136 which we believe determines the absolute truth of atchlin of course with the help of the
    Aug 03, 2004 @ 20:58 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  44. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    How about Remotemarkierung ? Lowell G. McManus Leesville, Louisiana, USA ... From: aletheiak To: Sent:
    Aug 03, 2004 @ 23:29 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  45. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    jah markierung for marker i think you may be richten about that rather than marker for marker marker probably doesnt mean the right kind of marker anyway but i
    Aug 04, 2004 @ 00:42 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  46. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    Nein! I was not joking. The only German that I know comes from Google Language Tools. :-) That is where I got Remotemarkierung as the German translation
    Aug 04, 2004 @ 01:51 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  47. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    ... I believe this to be generally correct, although the exact meaning might be Richtungsmarkierung , Referenzmarkierung or something like that. If you look
    Aug 04, 2004 @ 08:31 - Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Ernst Stavro Blofeld <blofeld_es@...>)
  48. Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
    great thanx i feel you must be right one way or the other so can you also decipher or translate the text in message 14924
    Aug 04, 2004 @ 16:39 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)