Subject: Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
Date: Jul 28, 2004 @ 19:07
Author: aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
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ok good & we know 134 is virtually as fine as 136
so you have very effectively made your point

i dont understand dispute

--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen"
<jesniel@i...> wrote:
> OK.
>
> We will solve this dispute in a few weeks.
>
> Anyway, looked at the video I took at ATCHLIN during GCEBE,
and there were a bm# 134. I also shoot several alignments - I
wish I could share with you.
>
> I could't see any markers on the CH bank.
>
> Jesper
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: aletheiak
> To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 12:12 AM
> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
>
>
> what evidence do you mean
>
> i have already answered this with chapter & verse
> in messages 14729 & 12459
>
> it is marker number 2 there
>
> why not read that text
>
> but anyway the point is the same in every case
>
> at the ends of all 3 of these condos
> the terminal monument is also a sighting monument for the
> border convergent from the opposing bank
> as far as the thalweg or midway tripoint
> where the triline begins or ends
>
> they serve for the entire triline & for both tripoints on its ends
>
> bede marker 1 for example is on the german bank & indicates
> exactly where belu converges on the opposite bank
>
> the pair of belu markers on the banks of the ribbach tributary
> alone there dont indicate this exactly
>
> without using bede marker 1 you wouldnt know exactly where
the
> condo ends & the normal river boundary resumes
> &or vice versa
>
> so think of it as a tributary centerline sighting line
>
> a little strange but thats what it is too
>
>
> at cnkpru & defrlu
> this is clearer & more explicit because no tributary is involved
in
> those cases
> but rather only a dry convergent
>
>
> but as i say
> the device is fairly common
> whether it comes with a tripoint or a triline or not
>
> we have just seen it again at buesingen & again at the upper
atli
> rhein turnpoint
>
> or are you not seeing that this is all the same practice
> just slightly more complicated for condo triline tripoints
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen"
> <jesniel@i...> wrote:
> > BEDELU:
> > On BE bank: indirect BEDE marker 1
> > On DE bank: indirect BEDE marker 1
> > On LU bank: indirect DELU marker 52
> >
> > DEFRLU:
> > Two markers, One marking DEFR, just marked NI (we
> discussed it earlier), another marker on LU bank (as far as I
> remember no visable markings)
> >
> > CNKPRU:
> > Anybody remember the situation?
> >
> > Jesper
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: aletheiak
> > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 1:28 AM
> > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
> >
> >
> > bedelu
> > defrlu
> > cnkpru
> > possibly other postsoviets
> > etc
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper Nielsen"
> > <jesniel@i...> wrote:
> > > I have never seen any boundary marker on third part
land.
> > >
> > > Examples?
> > >
> > > Jesper
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: aletheiak
> > > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 5:11 PM
> > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites (ATCHFLN)
> > >
> > >
> > > yes yes yes
> > > it is common practice to mark river tripoints this way
> > >
> > > & the geocoordinate data brought by peter vouch that
> > precisely
> > > this is the case here
> > > or at least was once the case here
> > >
> > > if you see marker 136 then that is all you will need to
align
> > with
> > > the already found 135
> > >
> > > alternatively if you find 134 that would be practically
enough
> > too
> > > as there is only the slightest difference in alignment
> among
> > the 3
> > >
> > > if you find neither of these
> > > then the top line on 135 alone would still be
substantially
> > correct
> > > tho not as good
> > >
> > > & last & least
> > > the data dont support 133 except as a very general
check
> > >
> > > however
> > > whether mats is right or not
> > > all the indications are that you were substantially on line
> the
> > first
> > > time
> > >
> > > what we are doing now is just for corrobation & fine
tuning
> > >
> > > & only if you are wanting to improve the existing class d
> visit to
> > a
> > > class b
> > > would any of these considerations become very
interesting
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Jesper
Nielsen"
> > > <jesniel@i...> wrote:
> > > > Would they place a ATFL marker in CH?
> > > >
> > > > Doubt it.
> > > >
> > > > But we can check.
> > > >
> > > > Jesper
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Ernst Stavro Blofeld
> > > > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 9:28 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Re; Map sites
> (ATCHFLN)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Jesper Nielsen <jesniel@i...> wrote:
> > > > > What happened to 136?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think I can see it.
> > > >
> > > > See red circle on attached picture from Peter.
> > > >
> > > > M
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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