- third level exclave bremen
hi, dont know, if this was discussed before. in bremerhaven there is a part of the city, called Stadtbremisches Überseehafengebiet , that belongs to the city
Apr 01, 2003 @ 11:24 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
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Great stuff, and it hasn t been discussed before I think. By the way, in this attached map you can see the Fehrmoor exclave in its entirety! An extra bonus!
Apr 01, 2003 @ 11:35 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
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very nice map from 1942: http://www.wesermuen.de/WESERMUENDE-Karte.html fehrmoor can be seen also! regards , chris ... From: Peter Smaardijk To:
Apr 01, 2003 @ 11:59 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <23568@...>)
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A very beautiful map, but wait a minute: Bremerhaven was called Wesermuende back then, and the Stadtbremisches Ueberseehafengebiet was called Bremerhaven?? Or
Apr 01, 2003 @ 12:08 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
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Yes, you are right. Wesermünde was founded (or created,...) in 1924. it was created by the cities Lehe und Geestemünde. the Stadtbremisches
Apr 01, 2003 @ 12:20 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <23568@...>)
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Something s strange in this discussion. Hansastadt Bremen is made up of two pieces, Bremen and Bremerhaven. Bremerhaven translated is Harbor of Bremen . On
Apr 01, 2003 @ 16:44 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
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This is how I understand it: the federal land Bremen is made up of two cities/municipalities (=Stadtgemeinde): Bremen and Bremerhaven. The part nowadays called
Apr 01, 2003 @ 16:59 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
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Cf.: Als Küstengewässer im Sinne dieses Gesetzes gelten die zum Gebiet der Stadtgemeinde Bremerhaven sowie zum Ortsteil Stadtbremisches Überseehafengebiet
Apr 01, 2003 @ 17:08 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
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Stadtgemeinde Bremerhaven sowie zum Ortsteil Stadtbremisches Überseehafengebiet Bremerhaven der Stadtgemeinde Bremen gehörenden Wasserflächen der Weser.
Apr 01, 2003 @ 20:40 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
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hi len, things seem to be little complicated: http://www.wesermuen.de/WESERMUENDE.html in 1924 the city wesermünde was founded from the cities of Lehe and
Apr 02, 2003 @ 09:05 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
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hi len, things seem to be little complicated: http://www.wesermuen.de/WESERMUENDE.html in 1924 the city wesermünde was founded from the cities of Lehe and
Apr 02, 2003 @ 09:05 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
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I think an Ortsteil of Bremen municipality is called Stadtbremisches Überseehafengebiet Bremerhaven. The Bremerhaven here is just part of the name of this
Apr 02, 2003 @ 09:19 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
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Hi Len, just to complete this: http://www.bremerhaven.de/stadt/aemter/vpol/einreise.html here you find the explanation of the special problems for foreigners
Apr 02, 2003 @ 09:30 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <23568@...>)
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In other words, what you are maintaining is that Bremen as a Bundesland is made up of two big parts. The northern part is itself comprised to two parts, one
Apr 02, 2003 @ 14:38 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
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hi Len, you are right, its not an enclave, but as i see it, Stadtbremisches Übersseehafengebiet is still an exclave. i will try to find another map to see, if
Apr 03, 2003 @ 05:47 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <23568@...>)
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I think it is an enclave. The boundary of the Stadtbremisches Ueberseehafengebied Bremerhaven in the Weser river is fairly close to the river bank (the east
Apr 03, 2003 @ 11:05 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
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Cf. the boundaries on this map (source: Landesvermessungsamt Lower Saxony, http://www.lgn.de/ ). The boundary made with little I s is the federal land
Apr 03, 2003 @ 11:26 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@yahoo.com>)
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thanks for that map! regards, chris ps: and specially for peter: www.nbs-schumann.de ;-) ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: BoundaryPoint Sent: Thursday, April 03,
Apr 03, 2003 @ 20:41 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <23568@...>)
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Did the rest of the border in the map go completely around that harbor area, and does that harbor area have Bremerhaven as it s only neighbor? Thanks Len ...
Apr 05, 2003 @ 02:54 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
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... harbor ... Yes and does that harbor area have Bremerhaven as it s only neighbor? Again, yes. You can check it by going to http://www.lgn.de/ , choose
Apr 05, 2003 @ 16:53 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
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... No. The Land (state) of Bremen consists of two independent municipalities, Bremen and Bremerhaven, who incidentally are not physically connected. We are
Apr 09, 2003 @ 09:10 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <listen@...>)
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... (...)the map shows the municipality later to be called Bremerhaven, with the enclave on municipality level already in existance. More confusing is the
Apr 09, 2003 @ 10:28 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
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http://www.gonschior.de/weimar/Bremen/uebersichtskarte.html BTW, in 1933 Bremen and Oldenburg were merged under a Reichsstatthalter (the Nazi governor of the
Apr 09, 2003 @ 10:49 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
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http://www.bremen.de/info/statistik/jb/k01/01_04_grafik.htm just to complete: a map with the historical development of bremen regards, chris ... From: Peter
Apr 09, 2003 @ 12:26 - Chris Schulz ("Chris Schulz" <23568@...>)