I think it is an enclave. The boundary of the Stadtbremisches
Ueberseehafengebied Bremerhaven in the Weser river is fairly close to
the river bank (the east bank), whereas the outer boundary of the
city of Bremerhaven, which is also the boundary between the federal
lands of Bremen and Lower Saxony, is right on the other side of the
river, by the looks of it following the high water line on the west
bank here. So the internal waters of the city of Bremerhaven enclose
those of the Stadtbr. Ueberseehafengebiet Bhv. And I am fairly
certain that the Weser waters here are internal waters (on the inside
of the baseline).
At
http://www.stadtplan.net/brd/bremen/bremerhaven/home.html some of
the boundaries can be seen, though not all boundaries.
Peter S.
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Schulz" <23568@g...>
wrote:
> hi Len,
>
> you are right, its not an enclave, but as i see it, Stadtbremisches
Übersseehafengebiet is still an exclave. i will try to find another
map to see, if the harbor borders international waters (but i dont
expect this, if you look to the map i posted in my pre-previous
message).
>
> regards, chris
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: L. A. Nadybal
> To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:38 PM
> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: third level exclave bremen
>
>
> In other words, what you are maintaining is that Bremen as a
> Bundesland is made up of two big parts. The northern part is
itself
> comprised to two parts, one part is the city of Bremerhaven and
the
> other part (the Uebersee hafen) is a detachment from the City of
Bremen.
>
> I guess the only open question is whether the city of Bremerhaven
> completely surrounds the Bremen harbor part. If it doesn't, it's
not
> a third level ex- or enclave. Both parts Bremerhaven and Bremen's
> detached harbor have kustengewasser - meaning maybe they both have
> outlets to the international waters.
>
> Do I see that as you see it?
>
> Len
>
>
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Schulz" <23568@g...>
wrote:
> > Hi Len,
> > just to complete this:
> > http://www.bremerhaven.de/stadt/aemter/vpol/einreise.html
> >
> > here you find the explanation of the special problems for
foreigners
> in the "City of Bremen's Overseas Harbor District".
> >
> > the website is from the city of bremerhaven, that has its own
office
> for residence permits, visas, etc., but it has no rights to give
such
> papers for people from the Stadtbremisches Übersseehafengebiet
> Bremerhaven, because this is part of the city of Bremen.
> >
> > Regards, Chris.
> >
> >
> >
> > > > Are we really talking about a "third level exclave/enclave"
here, or
> > > > only about a part of town in the northern section. It may
be that
> > > in
> > > > the "City of Bremen's Overseas Harbor District" there's no
permit
> > > > office for residence permits, visas, etc., and that is in
some other
> > > > part of town - like in downtown Bremen or somewhere 100km
> > > away.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > Len Nadybal
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>
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