Stadtgemeinde Bremerhaven sowie zum Ortsteil
Stadtbremisches Überseehafengebiet Bremerhaven der Stadtgemeinde
Bremen gehörenden Wasserflächen der Weser.
Let's analyze this: You werote that it says "zum Ortsteil
Stadtbremisches Überseehafengebiet Bremerhaven.." it doesn't say "zum
Ortsteil Stadtbremisches Überseehafengebiet Bremen".
Even in English you wrote "'Ortsteil' (=town section) Stadtbremisches
Überseehafengebiet Bremerhaven of the city-municipality of Bremen."
I interpret that to mean that Bremerhaven suburb called
"Stadtbremisches Überseehafengebiet" and the suburb Bremen's water
surfaces of the Weser" belong to the coastal waters.
I don't see how you get out of it that Stadtbremisches
Überseehafengebiet could unquestionably be a part of the suburb of
Bremen. I think the two make up an inseparable "Staatstadt" made of
two perhaps autonomously administered parts of one city.
Len
[As coastal waters in the
context of this law are meant those waters of the Weser river that
belong to the city-municipality of Bremerhaven and those that belong
to the "Ortsteil" (=town section) Stadtbremisches Überseehafengebiet
Bremerhaven of the city-municipality of Bremen.
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Smaardijk"
<smaardijk@y...> wrote:
> This is how I understand it: the federal land Bremen is made up of
> two cities/municipalities (=Stadtgemeinde): Bremen and Bremerhaven.
> The part nowadays called "Stadtbremisches Überseehafengebiet" is part
> of Stadtgemeinde Bremen. I would say this is a third level exclave.
> Fehrmoor is, on the other hand, a second level exclave, because it is
> surrounded by Lower Saxony.
>
> Maybe there is a permit office in Bremerhaven, just the people
> in "Stadtbremisches Überseehafengebiet" have to apply for a permit in
> their own municipality, i.e. Bremen proper.
>
> Peter S.
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@c...>
> wrote:
> > Something's strange in this discussion.
> >
> > Hansastadt Bremen is made up of two pieces, Bremen and Bremerhaven.
> > Bremerhaven translated is "Harbor of Bremen". On the surface, I
> think
> > we are involved in discussing city with two parts (stadtteile), a
> land
> > (state) that is in two parts and corporate harbor area (state/land
> or
> > possibly even city owned and operated), all at the same time without
> > discerning between them.
> >
> > "Stadtbremisches Überseehafengebiet" translates as "City of Bremen's
> > Overseas Harbor District". Hamburg has similar, a part of the
> harbor
> > for domestic traffic and a section for imports (outside of the
> customs
> > zone).
> >
> > Are we really talking about a "third level exclave/enclave" here, or
> > only about a part of town in the northern section. It may be that
> in
> > the "City of Bremen's Overseas Harbor District" there's no permit
> > office for residence permits, visas, etc., and that is in some other
> > part of town - like in downtown Bremen or somewhere 100km
> away.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Len Nadybal
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Schulz" <23568@g...>
> wrote:
> > > very nice map from 1942:
> > >
> > > http://www.wesermuen.de/WESERMUENDE-Karte.html
> > >
> > > fehrmoor can be seen also!
> > >
> > > regards , chris
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Peter Smaardijk
> > > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:35 PM
> > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: third level exclave bremen
> > >
> > >
> > > Great stuff, and it hasn't been discussed before I think.
> > > By the way, in this attached map you can see the Fehrmoor
> exclave in
> > > its entirety! An extra bonus!
> > >
> > > Peter S.
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Schulz"
> <23568@g...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > hi,
> > > >
> > > > dont know, if this was discussed before.
> > > > in bremerhaven there is a part of the city,
> called "Stadtbremisches
> > > Überseehafengebiet", that belongs to the city of Bremen, 50 km
> in the
> > > south.
> > > >
> > > > i found a radio-spot about it. unfortunately its in german.
> > > > for the non-german-speaking guys:
> > > > it describes, why and how in 1938 this part of bremerhaven
> became
> > > part of the city of bremen.
> > > >
> > >
> http://stream.radiobremen.de/ramgen/media/rbton/bremeneins/chronik/at2
> > > 0030330.rm
> > > >
> > > > another detail for the german-speaking guys:
> > > > http://www.bremerhaven.de/stadt/aemter/vpol/einreise.html
> > > > its about the situation for people, working on ships that
> come to
> > > the "Stadtbremisches Überseehafengebiet". if these guys try to
> > > arrange things about there papers in germany. they have to go
> to
> > > bremen.
> > > >
> > > > regards, chris
> > >
> > >
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