This is how I understand it: the federal land Bremen is made up of
two cities/municipalities (=Stadtgemeinde): Bremen and Bremerhaven.
The part nowadays called "Stadtbremisches Überseehafengebiet" is part
of Stadtgemeinde Bremen. I would say this is a third level exclave.
Fehrmoor is, on the other hand, a second level exclave, because it is
surrounded by Lower Saxony.
Maybe there is a permit office in Bremerhaven, just the people
in "Stadtbremisches Überseehafengebiet" have to apply for a permit in
their own municipality, i.e. Bremen proper.
Peter S.
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@c...>
wrote:
> Something's strange in this discussion.
>
> Hansastadt Bremen is made up of two pieces, Bremen and Bremerhaven.
> Bremerhaven translated is "Harbor of Bremen". On the surface, I
think
> we are involved in discussing city with two parts (stadtteile), a
land
> (state) that is in two parts and corporate harbor area (state/land
or
> possibly even city owned and operated), all at the same time without
> discerning between them.
>
> "Stadtbremisches Überseehafengebiet" translates as "City of Bremen's
> Overseas Harbor District". Hamburg has similar, a part of the
harbor
> for domestic traffic and a section for imports (outside of the
customs
> zone).
>
> Are we really talking about a "third level exclave/enclave" here, or
> only about a part of town in the northern section. It may be that
in
> the "City of Bremen's Overseas Harbor District" there's no permit
> office for residence permits, visas, etc., and that is in some other
> part of town - like in downtown Bremen or somewhere 100km
away.
>
> Regards
>
> Len Nadybal
>
>
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Schulz" <23568@g...>
wrote:
> > very nice map from 1942:
> >
> > http://www.wesermuen.de/WESERMUENDE-Karte.html
> >
> > fehrmoor can be seen also!
> >
> > regards , chris
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Peter Smaardijk
> > To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:35 PM
> > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: third level exclave bremen
> >
> >
> > Great stuff, and it hasn't been discussed before I think.
> > By the way, in this attached map you can see the Fehrmoor
exclave in
> > its entirety! An extra bonus!
> >
> > Peter S.
> >
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Schulz"
<23568@g...>
> > wrote:
> > > hi,
> > >
> > > dont know, if this was discussed before.
> > > in bremerhaven there is a part of the city,
called "Stadtbremisches
> > Überseehafengebiet", that belongs to the city of Bremen, 50 km
in the
> > south.
> > >
> > > i found a radio-spot about it. unfortunately its in german.
> > > for the non-german-speaking guys:
> > > it describes, why and how in 1938 this part of bremerhaven
became
> > part of the city of bremen.
> > >
> >
http://stream.radiobremen.de/ramgen/media/rbton/bremeneins/chronik/at2
> > 0030330.rm
> > >
> > > another detail for the german-speaking guys:
> > > http://www.bremerhaven.de/stadt/aemter/vpol/einreise.html
> > > its about the situation for people, working on ships that
come to
> > the "Stadtbremisches Überseehafengebiet". if these guys try to
> > arrange things about there papers in germany. they have to go
to
> > bremen.
> > >
> > > regards, chris
> >
> >
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