1. US, Canada plan to dismantle border (Toronto Star)
    I find this a little hard to believe... Bill US, Canada plan to dismantle border Ajit Jain in Toronto Canada and the United States are considering dismantling
    Sep 10, 2002 @ 05:38 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  2. RE: [BoundaryPoint] US, Canada plan to dismantle border (Toronto Star)
    Sounds like a North American Union in spe... Jan
    Sep 10, 2002 @ 07:15 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
  3. Best European geographical curiosities??
    Howdy folks, Well I m finally going to Europe for the first time and was hoping you all could help direct me to the most notable (and easily accesible!)
    Sep 15, 2002 @ 04:03 - Victor Cantore (Victor Cantore <drpotatoes@...>)
  4. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Best European geographical curiosities??
    Hello Victor! Congratulations with your choice to see Europe. Going to Europe you should also see Rome - the city of all World cities (including the Vatican
    Sep 15, 2002 @ 08:48 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
  5. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Best European geographical curiosities??
    Hello Victor, Just a quick note to tell you that if you come to Baarle, you ll be most welcome. If you like I could show you a lot of nice places in Baarle.
    Sep 15, 2002 @ 12:57 - Ed Ragas ("Ed Ragas" <edragas@...>)
  6. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Best European geographical curiosities??
    If Baarle becomes a destination, you could surf to http://home.wanadoo.nl/~eefberns/index.html and find the corrected topographical maps in the Baarle
    Sep 17, 2002 @ 06:17 - Eef Berns ("Eef Berns" <eefberns@...>)
  7. Use of "subject"
    Hi everybody, thaks for this very good site: http://home.wanadoo.nl/~eefberns/index.html I am aware that I am the last arrived; but still can I propose(for the
    Sep 17, 2002 @ 09:16 - marco_polito ("marco_polito" <marco_polito@...>)
  8. Vermont - Quebec
    The Great New England Border Expedition is over. It concluded last night as I drove into Times Square at midnight (Monday). Fun!! I met up with Mike Kaufman
    Sep 18, 2002 @ 00:38 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
  9. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vermont - Quebec
    Not to mention me locking my keys in the car, and having to get a coat hanger (from Canada) to use for breaking into my car (in the U.S.). Thankfully, Doug
    Sep 18, 2002 @ 05:34 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  10. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vermont - Quebec
    - Having many, many chances to explain the reason for being on the border to Border Patrol agents, Immigration officials and Customs officers. After a while,
    Sep 18, 2002 @ 17:35 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  11. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vermont - Quebec
    I cannot believe these folks at the world most friendliest border can be so much on your back. In Eastern Europe we could have been arrested many times, but
    Sep 18, 2002 @ 17:38 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  12. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vermont - Quebec
    Pre 9-11 was much easier. In fact, I rarely saw a border patrol car. Now they re common. Part of the problem is that there are three US agencies that don t
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 07:29 - Doug Murray (Doug Murray <doug@...>)
  13. Re: Vermont - Quebec
    OK, I can t wait...gotta ask... Doug, were you able to get a fix on the Derby Line bridge relative to the border? Bill
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 12:13 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  14. Re: Best European geographical curiosities??
    ... most ... hi ed from me too one place in baarle i for one would like to get a better look at from as many angles as possible perhaps thru one of your
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 18:58 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
  15. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
    The bridge is north of the border... the river has nothing to do with the boundary here -- it is completely in Canada. Attached is a poor map poorly drawn by
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 22:46 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
  16. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
    Doug, thanks for clearing up that 25 year old mystery for me. I knew the river had no direct bearing with the boundary, but had always (erroneously) suspected
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 23:19 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  17. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
    I ll have much better pictures soon... and Mike Kaufman should have some too, as he was snapping away while we were there. Doug ... From: Bill Hanrahan To:
    Sep 20, 2002 @ 23:49 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
  18. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
    Doug, Thanks for all the pictures and the information. How is it possible that so many houses are penetrated by the border?!? It looks for me like it was done
    Sep 21, 2002 @ 09:37 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
  19. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
    From what I can tell, many of the buildings are old (the Haskell dates back to 1901) and were built when the border didn t have as much meaning. Some, I m
    Sep 21, 2002 @ 13:27 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
  20. Re: Vermont - Quebec
    Cool pics doug hope to go there some day
    Sep 21, 2002 @ 14:18 - zoommedix ("zoommedix" <zoomer@...>)
  21. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
    Yes...great photos Doug. Mine will be up after the 26th. I still can not believe how far that Welcome to Vermont sign was inside Quebec - somewhat
    Sep 22, 2002 @ 05:45 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
  22. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
    Congratulations to you both you and Doug, Mike. Great pictures! I don t suppose Lyle was willing to sell that monument...? Then again, getting it home in
    Sep 22, 2002 @ 13:16 - Bill Hanrahan ("Bill Hanrahan" <hanrahan@...>)
  23. Re: Vermont - Quebec
    ... the ... officers. After ... border ... actually this sounds fairly tame to me but if you do like to feel your eyeballs bulge & hair stand on end then try
    Sep 22, 2002 @ 17:45 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
  24. Re: Vermont - Quebec
    You really need to be complemented more than you are! I ve taken a fraction of these kinds of photos exactly because of the aggravations by the Border Patrol
    Sep 23, 2002 @ 19:14 - averillhecht ("averillhecht" <alhecht@...>)
  25. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
    I personally feel there should be no border between out two great nations, but that s another conversation. Averill If there weren t a border,
    Sep 23, 2002 @ 19:28 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  26. Re: Vermont - Quebec
    Good point. Then let s expand the CANPASS system to all crossings, in both direction, so law abiding citizens of both Canada and the US can cross with the
    Sep 23, 2002 @ 20:08 - averillhecht ("averillhecht" <alhecht@...>)
  27. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
    USA and Canada should copy Schengen, but with 9-11 it would surely take generations. Jesper ... From: averillhecht To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent:
    Sep 23, 2002 @ 20:13 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  28. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
    I look forward to seeing what your eyes saw! I think that I will ask Lyle to pass on the border marker to me if he s just going to let it sit there... I
    Sep 23, 2002 @ 22:29 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
  29. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
    I can only imagine USMX. I find my border stressful because US agents can impose 5 year entry bans (with no appeal) on the spot. And you never know when
    Sep 23, 2002 @ 22:32 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
  30. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
    Averill: Thanks for the kind words. You re right -- everything the Mike and I were doing was completely legal. Unless we were on federal property, we are
    Sep 23, 2002 @ 22:43 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@dougmurrayproductions.com>)
  31. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
    Do we need a border? I suppose. Does it need to be as controlled? Nope. I think it should be like the EU -- an outer border with strict controls and
    Sep 23, 2002 @ 22:51 - Doug Murray ("Doug Murray" <doug@...>)
  32. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
    Geez...just how do they *DO* that? :-) Bill
    Sep 23, 2002 @ 23:00 - Bill Hanrahan, W1WH ("Bill Hanrahan, W1WH" <hanrahan@...>)
  33. Re: Vermont - Quebec
    ... I were doing was completely legal. Unless we were on federal property, we are allowed to photograph all we want. I can understand the concerns of the
    Sep 24, 2002 @ 05:06 - averillhecht ("averillhecht" <alhecht@...>)
  34. Re: Vermont - Quebec
    ... entry bans (with no appeal) on the spot. And you never know when you re going to run across someone who didn t have their Wheaties (or donuts) that
    Sep 26, 2002 @ 21:09 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
  35. Re: Vermont - Quebec
    I found some info and e-mail address for you to use if you feel you are being harrased to much at the border while taking pictures. They are: Complaints
    Sep 27, 2002 @ 01:09 - averillhecht ("averillhecht" <alhecht@...>)
  36. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Vermont - Quebec
    Jesper, ... Whilst borders are fascinating things (is this not why we re all on this list), I often wonder why we re so tolerant of border controls on
    Sep 30, 2002 @ 20:52 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
  37. Re: Vermont - Quebec
    That s a good point. The reason is nations are completely sovereign, where as states/provinces/territories are not to various extents depending on the country
    Oct 01, 2002 @ 00:18 - averillhecht ("averillhecht" <alhecht@...>)
  38. Re: Vermont - Quebec
    ... on this ... yes it isnt a few of us are on this list because bp is expressly devoted to the multipoints rather than just the borders as you too can see by
    Oct 01, 2002 @ 02:01 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
  39. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
    Hi all: sorry for the delay... I was stolen away for Homecoming weekend at my alma mater. So here are my posted pics! The first of them is the border plaque on
    Oct 01, 2002 @ 04:09 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@yahoo.com>)
  40. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
    Ok...a few more from the same area: First, the borderline runs right throught the living room of the apartment...Canada right, U.S. left. Second, a
    Oct 01, 2002 @ 04:28 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@yahoo.com>)
  41. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Vermont - Quebec
    Pozor rule #2 (and you should know :-) ): The signs don t mark the border (http://home.worldonline.dk/jesniel/gcebereport/rules.htm) Jesper ... From: Michael
    Oct 01, 2002 @ 19:30 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  42. Re: Vermont - Quebec
    for more background see also message 4675 m ... can see the divided ... camera). I don t get ... care about ... meters into
    Oct 01, 2002 @ 23:21 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
  43. Re: Vermont - Quebec
    better yet is message 4584 which gives the exact source of the locals rule m ... not
    Oct 02, 2002 @ 12:35 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
  44. Border Controls (was Re: Vermont - Quebec)
    Averill, ... Sure, but there s still no inherent reason why you need border controls between some countries (USCA is the most obvious example), and why
    Oct 04, 2002 @ 23:26 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
  45. Border Controls (was Re: Vermont - Quebec)
    ... make a ... there ... would ... controls ... only at ... that ... Don t get me wrong; I m on your side. I think there should be NO border checks between
    Oct 05, 2002 @ 17:24 - averillhecht ("averillhecht" <alhecht@...>)
  46. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border Controls (was Re: Vermont - Quebec)
    ... From: averillhecht To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 7:24 PM Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Border Controls (was Re: Vermont -
    Oct 05, 2002 @ 17:29 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  47. Border Controls (was Re: Vermont - Quebec)
    ... Visiting borders WITH control makes it exiting. yes i would think tricountry pointing within schengen is about as relaxed as tristate pointing within the
    Oct 06, 2002 @ 00:32 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
  48. Border Controls (was Re: Vermont - Quebec)
    ... NY/Quebec and ... the rusty ... stating ... the ... jc & i actually did this last december thru a hole in a barbed wire fence in a remote area between
    Oct 06, 2002 @ 01:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
  49. reply to Mike D
    ... Dear Mike, I really enjoyed your exciting story about your trespassing into Mexico some years ago - whow, there must have been some emotions when spotting
    Oct 06, 2002 @ 09:17 - Peter Hering ("Peter Hering" <hering@...>)
  50. Re: reply to Mike D
    dear peter capo of the world class many thanxxx for weighing in on these several points & for giving me this chance to intertwingle with you ... i know my
    Oct 06, 2002 @ 16:16 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
  51. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Best European geographical curiosities??
    Hello, Well I will take pictures for your virtual tour through the enclaves. I understood that there are 2 quadripoints in Baarle and one nearly quadripoint.
    Oct 06, 2002 @ 20:34 - Ed Ragas ("Ed Ragas" <edragas@...>)
  52. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Border Controls (was Re: Vermont - Quebec)
    ... at ... but it is only at that time that international travel started to become available to the masses....
    Oct 07, 2002 @ 01:00 - Gerard J Keating ("Gerard J Keating" <gerard@...>)