1. Radio Monte Carlo enclave
    Hi, does anyone know about better maps, that show the exclave/enclave of radio monte carlo close to Roumoules? I add a scan, where one can see a mark of the
    Oct 26, 2004 @ 09:54 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
  2. Re: Radio Monte Carlo enclave
    I don t, but I wouldn t call this an exclave/enclave. This is on French soil. RMC used to be the national radio of Monaco, but nowadays it is privatised
    Oct 26, 2004 @ 10:51 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  3. Re: Radio Monte Carlo enclave
    I was not entirely accurate. The true facts: http://tdfint.iside.net/article/articleview/2277/1/1589/ Peter
    Oct 26, 2004 @ 11:01 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  4. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Radio Monte Carlo enclave
    Hi Peter, i found it on wikipedia. they call it an enclave, so i did. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roumoules thanks for your advice, chris ... From: Peter
    Oct 26, 2004 @ 11:05 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
  5. Re: Radio Monte Carlo enclave
    I like Wikipedia too, but it has its dangers. Quality control seems not fully developed. They acknowledge this themselves:
    Oct 26, 2004 @ 11:13 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  6. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Radio Monte Carlo enclave
    Hello, I am new to the group. En/exclaves are territories owned by another country in the sense that they form part of the parent state territory. Otherwise
    Oct 26, 2004 @ 13:11 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
  7. Re: Radio Monte Carlo enclave
    Hi Wolfgang, ... another ... territory. ... are ... Castelgandolfo ... d Auvergne owned ... MONT AGEL ... Yes, but the owner of the transmission centres is
    Oct 26, 2004 @ 13:23 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  8. extraterritoriality
    I beg to differ from Wolfgang s defininition of eytraterritoriality. A distinction has to be made between sovereignty over territory (which is a matter of
    Oct 26, 2004 @ 14:30 - Joachim Duester ("Joachim Duester" <jduester@...>)
  9. Re: extraterritoriality
    OK, thanks. So what _is_ extraterritoriality exactly, and where can it be found (the various Vatican buildings in and around Rome, probably - but are there
    Oct 26, 2004 @ 14:42 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  10. Re: extraterritoriality
    I would have preferred to check a legal dictionary first, but off-hand I would define I would define extraterritoriality as the state of being exempt from
    Oct 26, 2004 @ 15:17 - Joachim Duester ("Joachim Duester" <jduester@...>)
  11. Re: extraterritoriality
    thank you very much indeed joachim & what a relief to learn at length that this entire topic which we have tried so hard to understand for so long is basically
    Oct 26, 2004 @ 15:49 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  12. AW: [BoundaryPoint] extraterritoriality
    Aha. Always ready to learn something new. Joachim, can you then please give examples of extraterritorial pieces of land, say, somewhere in Europe? And examples
    Oct 26, 2004 @ 15:56 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
  13. Re: [BoundaryPoint] extraterritoriality
    I agree. Sometimes small diplomatic missions do not even have grounds, but are merely rooms or suites of rooms rented on the upper floors of commercial
    Oct 26, 2004 @ 15:55 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  14. Re: extraterritoriality
    yes & it sounds like all of these are again not really cases of extraterritoriality whatever that word is supposed to mean but rather individual & very
    Oct 26, 2004 @ 16:07 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  15. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Radio Monte Carlo enclave
    Many national radio services operate transmitters on foreign soil in order to better cover the world. None of this implies enclaves or extraterritoriality.
    Oct 26, 2004 @ 16:22 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  16. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: extraterritoriality
    What about SMOM in Rome? regards, Chris ... From: Peter Smaardijk To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 4:42 PM Subject:
    Oct 26, 2004 @ 16:44 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
  17. Re: extraterritoriality
    Lowell G McManus has given some examples (Guantanamo Bay Naval Station in Cuba and the former Canal Zone in Panama, and many of the non-domestic military
    Oct 26, 2004 @ 17:31 - Joachim Duester ("Joachim Duester" <jduester@...>)
  18. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Radio Monte Carlo enclave
    ... Of course the only remedy for incorrect information in Wikipedia (in any language) is to correct such information whenever you happen to stumble across
    Oct 26, 2004 @ 17:37 - Pepijn Hendriks ("Pepijn Hendriks" <yahoo@...>)
  19. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: extraterritoriality
    Apart from leased military bases and other facilities, extraterritoriality has little to do with territory (else it would be territoriality), but rather with
    Oct 26, 2004 @ 17:46 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  20. Re: extraterritoriality
    ... wrote: (...) ... sense ... outdated ... Yes, that may be true, but the term extraterritoriality is still used nowadays in contexts that do
    Oct 26, 2004 @ 18:13 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  21. Re: extraterritoriality
    ... more ... to ... law ... all ... could ... to ... entities ... current ... aha exactly ... aha exactly ... aha exactly yet again whereby heads of state, ...
    Oct 26, 2004 @ 18:46 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  22. Re: extraterritoriality
    so i think it is time we recognized that guantanamo isnt really extraterritorial territory of the usa but normal territorial territory of the usa & no matter
    Oct 26, 2004 @ 18:56 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  23. Re: extraterritoriality
    ... used ... that ... the ... well the particular form of leverage that the vatican appears to enjoy over italy may indeed be the only remaining sense in which
    Oct 26, 2004 @ 19:21 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  24. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: extraterritoriality
    Regardless of what kind of US jurisdiction applies there, both the USA and Cuba consider Guantanamo to be Cuban sovereign territory, and the US Treasury
    Oct 26, 2004 @ 19:49 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  25. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: extraterritoriality
    SMOM, to my knowledge and my interpretation, is fiction. It is the representation of a government that no longer exists since Napoleon has expelled it from
    Oct 26, 2004 @ 19:55 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
  26. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: extraterritoriality
    SMOM has nothing to do with the modern state of Malta. It has not been a sovereign state for ages, but it is recognized as a sovereign non-state entity
    Oct 26, 2004 @ 21:48 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  27. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: extraterritoriality
    Hi, the difference between SMOM and Seborga in my opinion is, that the extraterritorial rights of the buildings of SMOM in Via Condotti and Piazza dei
    Oct 27, 2004 @ 03:24 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
  28. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: extraterritoriality
    Hi, Seborga to my knowledge is not accepted as an nation or country by any other nation worldwide, although they can show, that according to treaties they
    Oct 27, 2004 @ 03:58 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
  29. AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: extraterritoriality
    Hi, as to boundaries of the Principality of Seborga , the only semi-useful map I could retrieve so far was the one exhibited at the entrance to the village.
    Oct 27, 2004 @ 06:51 - Wolfgang Schaub ("Wolfgang Schaub" <Wolfgang.Schaub@...>)
  30. Re: extraterritoriality
    no need to put too fine a point on the fictitious concept of sovereignty nor the even more fictitious concept of extraterritoriality whether at guantanamo or
    Oct 27, 2004 @ 17:21 - aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
  31. Re: extraterritoriality
    ... And also (this may be another subject): if some legislation of state A doesn t apply because of extraterritoriality, and this isn t filled in by the
    Oct 28, 2004 @ 02:16 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  32. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: extraterritoriality
    Yes. We were in Samnaun this summer on the CEBT. And we left the customs free area to the rest of Switzerland with no customs checks. ...
    Oct 28, 2004 @ 07:15 - Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)