Hi,
as to
boundaries of the "Principality of Seborga", the only semi-useful map I could
retrieve so far was the one exhibited at the entrance to the village. It shows
borders similar to the ones given in http://seborga.net/photos/art/bwmaplg.jpg.
It indicates, for example, that Seborga's highest mountain is Monte Carparo with
905 metres, a nice destination to walk to.
As far
as "international recognition" is concerned, the palazzo del govierno in Seborga
carries a plaque of the "Holy East Roman Empire in exile", making
believe it houses an embassy.
As
relationships to Italy are concerned, the "ruling" prince Giorgio has
invented an elegant structure, by which the mayor of Seborga (by Italian law) is
the representative of the Repubblica Italiana to Seborga. In other words, we
have Italy - if it wants it or not - as the second country recognizing
Seborga.
They
sell their own stamps and coins in Seborga, as you all know. The Luigino is
bound to the US Dollar in a fixed exchange rate. To avoid conflict with Italy -
that runs the official post office just around the corner - they say their
stamps and coins are only valid WITHIN Seborga. But I have not seen a
Seborga mail box, nor have I seen anybody trying to pay with Luiginos. I wonder
what will happen if I pay with Luiginos and get change in Euros - will they be
able to calculate the change correctly?
Questions over questions. I have to travel to Seborga again to
explore - and this, by the way, is the only reason for their existence:
Attracting tourists with fictitious nonsense.
Wolfgang
Hi,
Seborga to my knowledge is not accepted as
an nation or country by any other nation worldwide, although they can show,
that according to treaties they should still exist as an entity, because they
were forgotten to be named in the treaties of 1748 (Aachen) and 1815
(congress of Vienna) as like as the treaty of the foundation of italy in 1815
and the foundation of the italian republic 1946.
All this information is from www.seborga.net, where they publish their
perspective of the situation.
Beside this project there exists an
internet-project with relations to seborga, thats called INVISIBLE EMBASSY OF SEBORGA.
regards, chris
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:55
PM
Subject: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
extraterritoriality
SMOM, to my knowledge and my interpretation, is fiction. It is the
representation of a government that no longer exists since Napoleon has
expelled it from Malta. The fact that it occupies a house in Rome and is
"recognized" by a couple of other international institutions does not help
much. It simply has no territory, the fundamental requirement for a state.
By no means it is extraterritoreal to today's Malta.
And what about the Principality of Seborga?
What about SMOM in Rome?
regards, Chris
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004
4:42 PM
Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re:
extraterritoriality
OK, thanks. So what _is_ extraterritoriality
exactly, and where can
it be found (the various Vatican buildings in
and around Rome,
probably - but are there other
examples?)
Peter
--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
"Joachim Duester"
<jduester@p...> wrote:
>
>
> I beg to differ from Wolfgang's defininition of
eytraterritoriality.
>
> A distinction has to be made
between sovereignty over territory
(which
> is a matter of
international public law or "law of nations") and
> ownership
(which is a matter of private law). A piece of land owned
by
>
one country as a private owner in another country does not
>
automatically enjoy extraterritorial privileges. For a piece of
>
territory to enjoy extraterritoral privileges, it is not necessary
to
> be under the private ownership of another subject of
international
law.
>
> The embassy of one state in
another state is NOT extraterritorial
> territory, and it does not
matter in this respect at all whether the
> embassy plot/building
has been purchased or only rented in the host
> country. The
special privileges and immunities enjoyed by embassy
> premises
are not the result of extraterritoriality but are
privileges
>
granted under the Vienna Convention or other treaties to that
effect.
> These privileges apply regardless whether the
embassy grounds are
> owned by the sending state or are only
rented from a local owner or
> the host government.
>
> Joachim
>
>
>
> --- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Wolfgang Schaub"
>
<Wolfgang.Schaub@c...> wrote:
> > Hello, I am new to the
group. En/exclaves are territories owned by
> another
> >
country in the sense that they form part of the parent state
territory.
> > Otherwise properties owned by a country on
the territory of
another are
> > extra-territorial
entities. Examples: All foreign embassies,
>
Castelgandolfo
> > castle of the Vatican inside Italy, the
monument for Latour
> d'Auvergne owned
> > by France
inside Germany, and many others.
>
>
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