Hi,

Seborga to my knowledge is not accepted as an nation or country by any other nation worldwide, although they can show, that according to treaties they should still exist as an entity, because they were forgotten to be named in the treaties of 1748 (Aachen) and 1815 (congress of Vienna) as like as the treaty of the foundation of italy in 1815 and the foundation of the italian republic 1946.

i add a (new?) link to a map, that shows the border http://seborga.net/photos/art/bwmaplg.jpg

All this information is from www.seborga.net, where they publish their perspective of the situation.

Beside this project there exists an internet-project with relations to seborga, thats called INVISIBLE EMBASSY OF SEBORGA.

An interesting comment about it can be found at http://www.heise.de/tp/deutsch/pop/topic_1/4046/1.html (in german).

regards, chris

----- Original Message -----

From: Wolfgang Schaub

To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:55 PM

Subject: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: extraterritoriality

SMOM, to my knowledge and my interpretation, is fiction. It is the representation of a government that no longer exists since Napoleon has expelled it from Malta. The fact that it occupies a house in Rome and is "recognized" by a couple of other international institutions does not help much. It simply has no territory, the fundamental requirement for a state. By no means it is extraterritoreal to today's Malta.

And what about the Principality of Seborga?

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Von: chris schulz [mailto:23568@...]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. Oktober 2004 18:44
An: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: extraterritoriality

What about SMOM in Rome?

regards, Chris

----- Original Message -----

From: Peter Smaardijk

To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 4:42 PM

Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: extraterritoriality

OK, thanks. So what _is_ extraterritoriality exactly, and where can it be found (the various Vatican buildings in and around Rome, probably - but are there other examples?) Peter --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Joachim Duester" <jduester@p...> wrote: > > > I beg to differ from Wolfgang's defininition of eytraterritoriality. > > A distinction has to be made between sovereignty over territory (which > is a matter of international public law or "law of nations") and > ownership (which is a matter of private law). A piece of land owned by > one country as a private owner in another country does not > automatically enjoy extraterritorial privileges. For a piece of > territory to enjoy extraterritoral privileges, it is not necessary to > be under the private ownership of another subject of international law. > > The embassy of one state in another state is NOT extraterritorial > territory, and it does not matter in this respect at all whether the > embassy plot/building has been purchased or only rented in the host > country. The special privileges and immunities enjoyed by embassy > premises are not the result of extraterritoriality but are privileges > granted under the Vienna Convention or other treaties to that effect. > These privileges apply regardless whether the embassy grounds are > owned by the sending state or are only rented from a local owner or > the host government. > > Joachim > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Wolfgang Schaub" > <Wolfgang.Schaub@c...> wrote: > > Hello, I am new to the group. En/exclaves are territories owned by > another > > country in the sense that they form part of the parent state territory. > > Otherwise properties owned by a country on the territory of another are > > extra-territorial entities. Examples: All foreign embassies, > Castelgandolfo > > castle of the Vatican inside Italy, the monument for Latour > d'Auvergne owned > > by France inside Germany, and many others. > >

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