Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: extraterritoriality
Date: Oct 26, 2004 @ 21:48
Author: Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
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SMOM has nothing to do with the modern state of Malta.  It has not been a sovereign state for ages, but it is recognized as a sovereign non-state entity without sovereign territory, nevertheless, by Italy and a number of other (mostly Roman Catholic) countries.  It functions as an international Catholic relief agency.  Its theoretical sovereignty assures its neutrality and is useful in the freedom of movement of its personnel and assets during times of war, etc.  The headquarters house that it occupies in Rome is not sovereign territory, but it is still a bit more than an imaginary state or a government in exile.  It is the functional equivalent of the diplomatic mission of a recognized but stateless sovereign entity.  Although the house is part of Italy, by Italian law the official activities that SMOM conducts there are exempt from Italian law.  This has led some to describe the jurisdiction as extraterritorial, but that word hardly fits, since SMOM has no territory anywhere.
 
Lowell G. McManus
Leesville, Louisiana, USA
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Wolfgang Schaub
To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 2:55 PM
Subject: AW: [BoundaryPoint] Re: extraterritoriality

SMOM, to my knowledge and my interpretation, is fiction. It is the representation of a government that no longer exists since Napoleon has expelled it from Malta. The fact that it occupies a house in Rome and is "recognized" by a couple of other international institutions does not help much. It simply has no territory, the fundamental requirement for a state. By no means it is extraterritoreal to today's Malta.
 
And what about the Principality of Seborga?
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: chris schulz [mailto:23568@...]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. Oktober 2004 18:44
An: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: extraterritoriality

What about SMOM in Rome?
regards, Chris
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 4:42 PM
Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: extraterritoriality


OK, thanks. So what _is_ extraterritoriality exactly, and where can
it be found (the various Vatican buildings in and around Rome,
probably - but are there other examples?)
Peter

--- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Joachim Duester"
<jduester@p...> wrote:
>
>
> I beg to differ from Wolfgang's defininition of
eytraterritoriality.
>
> A distinction has to be made between sovereignty over territory
(which
> is a matter of international public law or "law of nations") and
> ownership (which is a matter of private law). A piece of land owned
by
> one country as a private owner in another country does not
> automatically enjoy extraterritorial privileges. For a piece of
> territory to enjoy extraterritoral privileges, it is not necessary
to
> be under the private ownership of another subject of international
law.
>
> The embassy of one state in another state is NOT extraterritorial
> territory, and it does not matter in this respect at all whether the
> embassy plot/building has been purchased or only rented in the host
> country. The special privileges and immunities enjoyed by embassy
> premises are not the result of extraterritoriality but are
privileges
> granted under the Vienna Convention or other treaties to that
effect.
> These privileges apply regardless whether the embassy grounds are
> owned by the sending state or are only rented from a local owner or
> the host government.
>
> Joachim
>
>
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Wolfgang Schaub"
> <Wolfgang.Schaub@c...> wrote:
> > Hello, I am new to the group. En/exclaves are territories owned by
> another
> > country in the sense that they form part of the parent state
territory.
> > Otherwise properties owned by a country on the territory of
another are
> > extra-territorial entities. Examples: All foreign embassies,
> Castelgandolfo
> > castle of the Vatican inside Italy, the monument for Latour
> d'Auvergne owned
> > by France inside Germany, and many others.
> >







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