- Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
1:5000 mapping of the roetgen enclaves is available fomr the Nordrhein-Westphalian survey office. Unfortunately they don t take credit cards (Europeans are
Jun 05, 2001 @ 05:28 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@hotmail.com>)
- Re: [BoundaryPoint] Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
The very thick black dashes mark the international border, correct? Which continues between the heavy marks along the thin line. ... Just to be certain I
Jun 05, 2001 @ 13:12 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
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Thansk for these scanned maps. This is so far the most complicated borders I have seen so far, but I guess also the most perculiar. If you thought Chile as a
Jun 05, 2001 @ 14:20 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
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... second of the ... Germans ... parking ... hotel/small ... Right, I think I know where this is - the road coming in from the left and leaving towards
Jun 05, 2001 @ 21:12 - Grant Hutchison ("Grant Hutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
- Re: [BoundaryPoint] Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
... Yes. ... Yes. A single house and a few small fields. A local road runs along the east side, with the Vennbahn Belgian railway in front of that and Germany
Jun 06, 2001 @ 02:17 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
- Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
The road junction from Roetgen (west) Monschau (south) and Lammersdorf(east). The blank southern area is Belgium proper, the north with the details, the larger
Jun 06, 2001 @ 02:50 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
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Some things are not entirely clear to me, though: 1. What is a traffic island (purely a language thing)? Is it the parking lot due east of Fringshaus? 2. Why
Jun 06, 2001 @ 12:05 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
- Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
A good lesson for me not to believe everything on maps (and subsequently post something here): the road is Bundesstrasse 258. On the Belgian topo maps I have,
Jun 06, 2001 @ 16:48 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
- Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
A traffic island is a small area in the middle of an intersection that is out of bounds to traffic. Like the circle of land the Arc de Triomphe is on in the
Jun 07, 2001 @ 01:15 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
- Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
ON the Monschauer Land Rurseengebeit Wanderkarte (1:25k) by the Nordrhein-Westfalen Landesvermessungsamt, the road from Roetgen to Monschau is the B258,
Jun 07, 2001 @ 01:23 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
- Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
Belgian topo 1:10 000 43/8 Nord uses the German 1:25000 info in black and white for the German parts of the map and very detailed colour Belgian mapping for
Jun 07, 2001 @ 01:27 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
- Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
The B258 is explicitely labelled N258 within Belgium on a Belgian 1:100000 topo map. Hence my mistake. These 1:100000 maps are extremely sloppy, to my
Jun 07, 2001 @ 06:07 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
- Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
So my misunderstanding here is narrowed down to me not knowing what a traffic island is. Now I do, for which a profound thank you, and of course I now also
Jun 07, 2001 @ 06:16 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
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Your right, my 1989 edition of sheet 113 at 1:100 000 does label all the German roads as N, not B. the smallest enclave won t show at this scale. On the 1:50
Jun 07, 2001 @ 10:27 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
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Yes, but to draw the main border WEST of the railway at Entenpfuhl (i.e. near the smallest enclave), so that part of the Vennbahn ends up in Germany, is just
Jun 07, 2001 @ 13:17 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
- Re: Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
hello, maybe old news: but the Belgian railway Vennbahn which runs thru German territory has an internet site on www.vennbahn.de regards Bernd ... the ...
Jun 09, 2001 @ 04:44 - kahbeh@hotmail.com (kahbeh@...)
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Can anyone identify the crossing and say where this is in the map. Or just tell what part is BE and what part is DE. Jesper ... From: To:
Jun 09, 2001 @ 12:46 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
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On the bilder ie pictures, page on http://www.vennbahn.de/ There is another photo 4 from the bottom of the page, looking down the road towards the rail line
Jun 11, 2001 @ 01:33 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
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I am not quite sure if I have misunderstood something or not, but I can only copy four present enclaves in Roetgen/Monschau. At the enclosed be_ty03,jpg file:
Jun 16, 2001 @ 18:28 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <jakro64@yahoo.no>)
- RE: [BoundaryPoint] Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
You have the two at Roetgen, correct, then the tiny one (#3), then on your map, what is shown as a large #3 with a bottleneck and a bulbous southern end is
Jun 17, 2001 @ 02:14 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
- RE: [BoundaryPoint] Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
Thank you, Brendan, very much for clearing up this question. Maybe you can help me with a correct mapping of the Reichenstein area where the two enclaves, #4
Jun 17, 2001 @ 08:26 - Jan Krogh ("Jan Krogh" <Jan@Krogh.com>)
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Dear Brendan You wouldn t have the map also for the southern part of the Mutzenich enclave? The part where proper Belgium meets the railway, and the big
Oct 06, 2001 @ 19:44 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
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no, because the gap between those 2 southern enclaves falls on the junction of 4 maps, and as the Belgian land is left blank, I didn t want to pay for maps
Oct 08, 2001 @ 00:24 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
- Re: [BoundaryPoint] Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
Who can provide the best scanned map of the area? Jesper ... From: Brendan Whyte To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 2:24 AM
Oct 09, 2001 @ 18:48 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
- Re: [BoundaryPoint] Roetgen/Monschau enclaves
The Belgian 1:10k sheet would be 50/3 Nord, but it was not yet published in the new series when I was in Brussels last year. I have both Belg and German 25k
Oct 10, 2001 @ 02:54 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)