1. St Maarten
    Does anyone have a 1:25,000 topo map of St Martin/Maarten? I spend a couple of weeks there last month and took lots of pictures of the border. I only have
    Jun 04, 2003 @ 17:52 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  2. Re: St Maarten
    wow flash us your 50k map too if you would it would be the best we have yet seen here good maps & treaty texts have both been very elusive did you see any more
    Jun 04, 2003 @ 18:46 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
  3. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Maarten
    Yes, actually there are now two big border monuments on the two main roads, and the border IS actually marked by a small stone wall almost the entire width of
    Jun 04, 2003 @ 20:55 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  4. Re: [BoundaryPoint] St Maarten
    St MaartenI once emailed St. Martin s tourist office asking them for a detailed map showing the exact border. I the reply they asked What border? Jesper ...
    Jun 04, 2003 @ 21:38 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  5. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Maarten
    Hi, I was told i a mail, that at least there has been one enclave. maybe it still exists. the information was very pure, nothing beside, what i told now. do
    Jun 05, 2003 @ 05:10 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
  6. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Maarten
    According to the 1:50000 topographic map, there appears to be a pene-exclave on St Martin, and the monument I saw very much resembled a border marker. I ll
    Jun 05, 2003 @ 05:14 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  7. Re: St Maarten
    Where might this pene be? The border is curcy, but fairly straight, leaving little chance for there to be other than an isolated tip of land forming
    Jun 05, 2003 @ 13:08 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  8. Re: St Maarten
    At my local map seller s, I found the new 2003 catalogue of the French IGN. Apparently, they have a 1:25000 map of St. Martin/St. Maarten and St. Barthelemy.
    Jun 05, 2003 @ 13:49 - Peter Smaardijk ("Peter Smaardijk" <smaardijk@...>)
  9. Re: St Maarten
    while everyone is still fluffing around with all these elusive 25k & even elusive 50k maps & just in case anyone wants to see what the conversation has been
    Jun 05, 2003 @ 15:47 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
  10. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Maarten
    Peter, Can you make this part of your collection? I wouldn t mind having one either. Dallen ... From: Peter Smaardijk [mailto:smaardijk@yahoo.com] Sent:
    Jun 05, 2003 @ 15:55 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  11. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Maarten
    Right, no pure enclaves, but if the tip of the small peninsula is only connected to the motherland then it forms a pene-enclave. There is no longer a welcome
    Jun 05, 2003 @ 15:54 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  12. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Maarten
    Sorry, the first sentence was meant to read ...but if the tip of the small peninsula is only connected to the motherland by water, then it forms... ...
    Jun 05, 2003 @ 16:00 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  13. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Maarten
    While the nice online map we all enjoy shows the border going through the small island in the lagoon, according to the 1:50000 topographic map the island is
    Jun 05, 2003 @ 16:04 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  14. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Maarten
    Are there only three border-crossings ? No small roads across? Jesper ... From: acroorca2002 To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003
    Jun 05, 2003 @ 16:32 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  15. Re: St Maarten
    actually this map which turns out to be about 48k scale on my computer screen is maybe not so bad after all & it shows 4 credible road crossings as well as
    Jun 05, 2003 @ 17:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
  16. Re: St Maarten
    http://www.gobeach.com/sxmmap.htm
    Jun 05, 2003 @ 18:37 - Artur Kroc ("Artur Kroc" <kroc@...>)
  17. Re: St Maarten
    Re: your text below. In the case of this peninsula, it isn t connected to the motherland (at least not by dry land border). Without that, does it qualify as
    Jun 05, 2003 @ 18:51 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  18. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Maarten
    There are actually four main road crossings, and several dirt tracks crossing as well, but the only marking on the smaller paths is the stone wall. ... From:
    Jun 05, 2003 @ 18:20 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  19. Re: St Maarten
    couldnt follow you as usual len but i agree with your conclusion as this was all dead in the water before it began & we have long since observed the futility &
    Jun 05, 2003 @ 19:56 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
  20. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Maarten
    This may be the semantic case, but the traditional geopolitical use of pene-exclave has always included those that are connected to the motherland by water as
    Jun 05, 2003 @ 21:13 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  21. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Maarten
    Well, I loke very much forward to seeing your photos. Jesper ... From: Dallen Timothy To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 8:20 PM
    Jun 05, 2003 @ 19:28 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
  22. Re: St Maarten
    Even with the correction, I disagree, citing again, my Michigan example in my previous message. Do you consider the French island of Corsica to be an exclave
    Jun 05, 2003 @ 19:02 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  23. Re: St Maarten
    ... definition of ... yes maybe you do len
    Jun 06, 2003 @ 00:39 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
  24. Re: [BoundaryPoint] St Maarten
    Hi Len, ... It s actually in the Irish Sea. The Bristol Channel is further south. With respect to being a (pene-)enclave or not, it s not actually part of the
    Jun 06, 2003 @ 06:28 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
  25. Re: St Maarten
    Hi. Oh. It s Lundy that is in the Bristol channel. Thinking about Man as a distinct entity not part of the UK, it could take the place of Ireland in my
    Jun 07, 2003 @ 00:28 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  26. Re: [BoundaryPoint] St Maarten
    Len, ... From memory, the closest point between the UK mainland and Northern Ireland is around 20 miles, and as the UK claims a 12-mile territorial sea, it
    Jun 08, 2003 @ 18:46 - Kevin Meynell (Kevin Meynell <kevin@...>)
  27. Re: [BoundaryPoint] St Maarten
    http://edm.sxm.free.fr/Maps/map-frames.html hi, here you may find different topo-maps of sint maarten - saint martin. http://edm.sxm.free.fr/Maps/map5d.JPG
    Jun 12, 2003 @ 01:27 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@...>)
  28. Re: St Maarten
    nice find chris by far the best map of it we have seen or may ever see yet once again the boundary wont stay still but is again different as it has been on
    Jun 12, 2003 @ 03:07 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
  29. RE: [BoundaryPoint] St Maarten
    Great links Chris! This is a bit clearer than on my old 1:50000, although the border at Oyster Pond is different on the online map versus the old 1:50000,
    Jun 12, 2003 @ 04:27 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@asu.edu>)
  30. Re: St Maarten
    thanx dallen good show & tell & please do prolong the pleasure the point on the small ... be an elevation ... monument on the ... ok agreed at least a vertical
    Jun 12, 2003 @ 18:00 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
  31. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Maarten
    I looked over my St Martin pics last night, and they all seem to have turned out very well, but they re really large files (most about 450-650kb). I m trying
    Jun 12, 2003 @ 18:10 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  32. RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: St Maarten
    By the way, Mike, I agree that the stone wall(s) could be more to mark property lines than the border, but I do think that property lines were coincident with
    Jun 12, 2003 @ 18:12 - Dallen Timothy (Dallen Timothy <dtimothy@...>)
  33. Re: St Maarten Pix Prob
    If you don t have a dot-per-inch reducing utility in your graphics program, try saving them with a name that has suffix .jpg. Your program SHOULD prompt you
    Jun 12, 2003 @ 18:54 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  34. Re: [BoundaryPoint] St Maarten
    Hi, something clave-like (and call it however you like...) there seem to be some houses standing close to the border on Saint Martin territory, that are
    Jun 12, 2003 @ 19:08 - chris schulz ("chris schulz" <23568@gmx.de>)
  35. Re: [BoundaryPoint] St Maarten
    Exclellent find. I like it. Jesper ... From: chris schulz To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint]
    Jun 12, 2003 @ 21:40 - Jesper Nielsen ("Jesper Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)