Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.----- Original Message -----From: Dallen TimothySent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 6:27 AMSubject: RE: [BoundaryPoint] St MaartenGreat links Chris! This is a bit clearer than on my old 1:50000, although the border at Oyster Pond is different on the online map versus the old 1:50000, which I have attached here.
I need to clarify a couple of points regarding my experiences with the St Martin border:
1) As I was unable to find my 1:50000 map of St Martin before my trip there, I was basing my border expeditions only on my memory of it. Therefore, my memory of Oyster Pond (east end) at the border was a bit fuzzy. Since that time, I have found the old map, and the point on the small peninsula on the southeast section of Oyster Bay appears to be an elevation point on the map; however, there is a border marker-looking monument on the tip. The route of the border on the old 1:50000 map could possibly cut off the tip of this small peninsula, but I’m not sure. (Since we clearly have a problem on BoundaryPoint about getting caught up on terminologies, I’ll just call it a tip of a peninsula rather than a pene-exclave).
2) According to the old map and the people who live and work around Oyster Pond, the border does not go through the middle of Oyster Pond but rather along its north shoreline, at some parts at least. This results in the restaurant I mentioned before being over the border and hence the world’s shortest international bridge. The peninsular point on the southeast section of Oyster Bay has some kind of marker on it.
3) The maps don’t show it clearly, but the border almost in its entire length is marked by a very old and short stone wall. On the map that Chris just linked us to, the northward then east-west road on the eastern end of the island runs parallel with the border, but the road is on the French side. On the 1:50000, the road appears to be on the Dutch side, and in nearly all the jointly published (St Maarten/St Martin) tourism literature, the road is shown on the Dutch side running parallel to the border. As I drove this road, the old stone fence, which I’m pretty sure was the border was on the north side of the road, leaving the road on the Dutch side until it curves north to the north shore of Oyster Bay.
4) I made a mistake—the island in Simpson Bay Lagoon is entirely on the French side, not the Dutch side.
5) The old 1:50000 does not show the road crossing the border at Oyster Pond or on the far west end of the island, although these are fully paved, functioning roads.
I’ll send some photos soon.
Cheers,
Dallen
-----Original Message-----
From: chris schulz [mailto:23568@gmx.de]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 6:28 PM
To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] St Maarten
hi,
here you may find different topo-maps of sint maarten - saint martin.
this is around oyster pond,
but i cant see anything clave-like.
regards, chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Meynell
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] St Maarten
Len,
>does one leave the territorial waters of the UK to boat from UK to
>Northern Ireland?
From memory, the closest point between the UK mainland and Northern
Ireland is around 20 miles, and as the UK claims a 12-mile territorial sea,
it should be possible to cross entirely within territorial waters.
>I read that the Isle of Man has no territorial waters
I believe a 12-mile territorial sea is claimed around the Isle of Man, but
I'm afraid I don't know whether this is considered to be its own waters or
an extension of the UK's.
Cheers,
Kevin Meynel
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