1. oldest purely 'fiat' international boundary?
    What do you think is the oldest example of a purely fiat international boundary? A purely fiat boudnary is one which is drawn independently of any features
    Dec 05, 2001 @ 01:53 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  2. Re: oldest purely 'fiat' international boundary?
    just to be sure what you mean david would this include any straight line segment between any 2 markers & do you care whether it is still on an extant boundary
    Dec 05, 2001 @ 02:20 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
  3. Re: [BoundaryPoint] oldest purely 'fiat' international boundary?
    What about the Great Wall of China, the Wall between Britannia and Scotia? The early Chinese Kingdoms had borders, authoritative or arbitrary. What about
    Dec 05, 2001 @ 02:28 - Emil Boasson (Emil Boasson <eb3@...>)
  4. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: oldest purely 'fiat' international boundary?
    I guess my colleague s claim is that there were few if any demarcated boundaries that wandered across the landscape independent of landscape features in the
    Dec 05, 2001 @ 02:31 - David Mark (David Mark <dmark@...>)
  5. Re: oldest purely 'fiat' international boundary?
    ... i would have thought the walls were the only working boundaries ... what makes that an interesting length you know all these frontiers were of variable
    Dec 05, 2001 @ 02:50 - orc@orcoast.com (orc@...)
  6. Re: oldest purely 'fiat' international boundary?
    Did anyone in this thread about fiat boundaries mention the Roman Limes that stretched across western central Europe? It was demarcated by putting
    Dec 05, 2001 @ 03:30 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  7. Re: oldest purely 'fiat' international boundary?
    Did anyone in this thread about fiat boundaries mention the Roman Limes that stretched across western central Europe? It was demarcated by putting
    Dec 05, 2001 @ 03:30 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  8. Re: oldest purely 'fiat' international boundary?
    One other thing David wrote, to which I wanted to respond... I d like to hear about even a curvy international birder that did not follow features of the
    Dec 05, 2001 @ 03:39 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  9. Re: oldest purely 'fiat' international boundary?
    ... it was first mentioned in 1681 & first marked in 1701 when both de & pa were still owned by william penn tho under different leases & was until de
    Dec 05, 2001 @ 04:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
  10. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: oldest purely 'fiat' international boundary?
    ... Not many available there! Though I think the wall prefers north-facing slopes, so that the Picts would have to charge uphill. -- Anton Sherwood --
    Dec 05, 2001 @ 04:47 - Anton Sherwood (Anton Sherwood <bronto@...>)
  11. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: oldest purely 'fiat' international boundary?
    Gambia is made up of curves a set distance FROM the river. Adn there is a semicircle in the southern end of Zimbabwe s boundary with Botswana, centred on Tuli.
    Dec 05, 2001 @ 05:20 - Brendan Whyte ("Brendan Whyte" <brwhyte@...>)
  12. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: oldest purely 'fiat' international boundary?
    ... monuments still in existence from perhaps the mid 14th century tho no longer working now but stored in dinxpeerlo museum if i recall ... I visited the
    Dec 05, 2001 @ 22:16 - Harry ten Veen ("Harry ten Veen" <pa8km@...>)
  13. RE: [BoundaryPoint] oldest purely 'fiat' international boundary?
    Ancient boundaries were drawn by extending the frontier of civilization (pomerium in Latin) out beyond city walls into the realms of the barbarian -- not by
    Dec 07, 2001 @ 02:49 - Ray Milefsky ("Ray Milefsky" <mrrayj@...>)
  14. Re: oldest purely 'fiat' international boundary?
    The (15th? century)Treaty of Tordessillas, dividing the world into Spanish and Portugese spheres, may not have given the oldest such boundary, but it must be
    Dec 10, 2001 @ 19:45 - johnfgriffiths ("johnfgriffiths" <johnfrancisgriffiths@...>)
  15. Re: oldest purely 'fiat' international boundary?
    ... Yep, 1494. ... The line of demarcation was 370 leagues west of the Azores - Portugal got the bit between 370 and 100 leagues west (if not already owned by
    Dec 10, 2001 @ 20:20 - granthutchison ("granthutchison" <granthutchison@...>)
  16. Re: oldest purely 'fiat' international boundary?
    ... indeed our improbable search for it or them in australia is documented in messages 1590 1650 1675 1712 1721 1736 & especially 1769 & 1779 where we are left
    Dec 11, 2001 @ 05:59 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)