- Old German Boundary Marker
On the border between Lithuania and Russia in the Lithuanian town of Vistytis, on the northern shore of Lake Vistytis we found remainings of a probably German
Jul 10, 2002 @ 09:09 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <la9qca@qsl.net>)
- Re: [BoundaryPoint] Old German Boundary Marker
It looks very much like a piece of rail to me (from a railway). Bochum might well be the place where the thing was made. Peter S. ...
Jul 10, 2002 @ 09:16 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
- Re: Old German Boundary Marker
Cf. http://www.kaufering.de/Geschichte/bahnhof/bahnhof.htm (2nd pic from the bottom). Peter S. ... Bochum ... of ... remainings ... the ... I am
Jul 10, 2002 @ 09:33 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
- ltplru tp
As mentioned in yesterday s message it seems the ru bm is located inside lt. These two bms were marking the plsu boundary. But according to the ltru border
Jul 10, 2002 @ 09:39 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <la9qca@qsl.net>)
- RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Old German Boundary Marker
It seems very likely you are right! Enclosed is a photo of the marker mentioned from the southern shore of Lake Vistytis. It was said it was destroyed by the
Jul 10, 2002 @ 09:48 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <la9qca@qsl.net>)
- Re: Old German Boundary Marker
Hi Jan, in any case it seems unlikely that you ld find a 19th border marker near the current border, since it moved after WW1 (Treaty of Versailles), so it s
Jul 10, 2002 @ 16:21 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <wolfi.junkmail@...>)
- Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Old German Boundary Marker
As far as I know, that boundary (i.e. the ltru one running from the north of ltplru to the Neman/Nemunas/Memel at Smalininkai/Schmalleningken, desu before WW2)
Jul 10, 2002 @ 17:14 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
- RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Old German Boundary Marker
Hello Wolfi, Why do you think the border here moved after WW1? Of cource it moved north of the Nemunas (germ. Memel) river, but not here (see encl. German map
Jul 10, 2002 @ 17:24 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <la9qca@qsl.net>)
- Re: Old German Boundary Marker
Just for the record the German boundaries acc. to Versailles at http://history.acusd.edu/gen/text/versaillestreaty/ver027.html : Art. 28, this part:
Jul 10, 2002 @ 18:24 - ps1966nl ("ps1966nl" <smaardijk@...>)
- Re: Old German Boundary Marker
Hi Jan, ... I didn t pay attention to the fact that the Memel area starts further North. My error. ... I guess the wording depends on the political views one
Jul 10, 2002 @ 18:26 - anorak222 ("anorak222" <wolfi.junkmail@...>)
- RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Old German Boundary Marker
Hi Wolfi, Just after the first free election since the WWII the Supreme Soviet of the Lithuanian parliament late in the evening on the 11th March 1990 (btw on
Jul 10, 2002 @ 19:22 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <la9qca@...>)
- RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Old German Boundary Marker
Jan S. Krogh wrote: (...)Most Western countries never accepted the Soviet occupation, neither did Norway. (...) Shame on the Netherlands. They _did_ accept
Jul 10, 2002 @ 19:38 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
- RE: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Old German Boundary Marker
Peter S., You are right, understood and the Netherlands are hereby forgiven ;-) The situation from March 11th 1990 until Aug 1991 was very strange. Jeltsin s
Jul 10, 2002 @ 20:20 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <la9qca@...>)
- Re: [BoundaryPoint] ltplru tp
Jan On my maps this looks like a wet tp. How far is his from the river/lake? Jesper ... From: Jan S. Krogh To: BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups. com ; Jan S. Krogh
Feb 21, 2002 @ 21:05 - Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen ("Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen" <jesniel@...>)
- RE: [BoundaryPoint] ltplru tp
If one can trust this on-line computer map. Jan ... From: Jesper & Nicolette Nielsen [mailto:jesniel@image.dk] Sent: 21. februar 2002 23:06 To:
Aug 21, 2002 @ 21:11 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@takas.lt>)
- RE: [BoundaryPoint] ltplru tp
Looks like BYLTPL, and Jesper asks about LTPLRU. And that is very dry, according to all these pictures posted here, some of them by you. You must have a good
Aug 21, 2002 @ 22:23 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)
- RE: [BoundaryPoint] ltplru tp
Sorry, yes, you are right. I have only byltpl in my head now - it is the only lt tp it so far did not visit. The brook at ltplru we did not even find, it was
Aug 21, 2002 @ 21:30 - Jan S. Krogh ("Jan S. Krogh" <jan.krogh@...>)
- RE: [BoundaryPoint] ltplru tp -> BYLTPL
Some time ago, I posted a good site with old Soviet topo maps of Lithuania. The main page isn t working anymore, but the maps are still online (navigation is a
Aug 21, 2002 @ 23:12 - Peter Smaardijk (Peter Smaardijk <smaardijk@...>)