1. The IBWC speaks!!!
    Mr. Manuel Rubio, Jr. of the IBWC was in his El Paso office shortly after 7:30 (his time) this morning phoning me with answers to my e-mailed questions of
    Jul 02, 2003 @ 17:56 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  2. Re: The IBWC speaks!!!
    Greetings, Lowell. Gee! A responsive federal agency. I wonder if one were looking for ajob it would go that fast. It s clear there is a differnce between
    Jul 02, 2003 @ 18:58 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  3. Re: The IBWC speaks!!!
    Maybe you don t have to wait for Mr. Rubio... the commission website has treaties, synopses of them and minutes of meetings posted at:
    Jul 02, 2003 @ 19:06 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  4. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: The IBWC speaks!!!
    Yes, but it only has three sentences about the 1970 treaty. I had not previously found the minutes. Thanks. I am now beginning to investigate them. You
    Jul 02, 2003 @ 20:30 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  5. Re: The IBWC speaks!!!
    ... beginning to ... minutes regarding the ... of the 1970 ... shown by an ... aha & doesnt this wording whether intended or not also establish a boundary
    Jul 02, 2003 @ 23:06 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
  6. Re: The IBWC speaks!!!
    Well, then, assuming nothing other than vertical sovereignty exists, ... U S A | river | ... Mexico picks up territory under the bridge as the river
    Jul 03, 2003 @ 00:31 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  7. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: The IBWC speaks!!!
    ... I agree! Thus, it would be somewhat analogous to a monumented land boundary, regardless of how poorly surveyed. In my perusal of the really old Minutes
    Jul 03, 2003 @ 01:32 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  8. Re: The IBWC speaks!!!
    Did the minutes say boundary on the rebuilt bridge or was it written or to be possibly taken colloquially to be read boundary MARKER on the rebuilt bridge
    Jul 03, 2003 @ 03:11 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  9. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: The IBWC speaks!!!
    ... The minutes dealt with monumentation on the rebuilt bridges. In one case, it was know that the former mounment had been located on the third pier from
    Jul 03, 2003 @ 04:13 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  10. Re: The IBWC speaks!!!
    ... marker ... monumented land boundary, ... old Minutes ... that had burned ... rebuilt on the same ... the boundary on the ... old, without ... theory that a
    Jul 03, 2003 @ 13:59 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
  11. Re: The IBWC speaks!!! - Key Treaty Part
    Article 4 of the US-Mex Treaty of Nov 12, 1884 reads: If any international bridge have been or shall be built across either rivers named [i.e., Rio Grande and
    Jul 03, 2003 @ 14:44 - L. A. Nadybal ("L. A. Nadybal" <lnadybal@...>)
  12. Re: The IBWC speaks!!!
    ahh okay lowell i may have just glimpsed your meaning & certainly a beautiful idea what if the suspension of the normal laws of reality had actually been
    Jul 03, 2003 @ 16:08 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
  13. Re: The IBWC speaks!!! - Key Treaty Part
    essential find & question in the absence of any specific language that suspends the normal regime of vertical continuity in favor of an exceptional regime of
    Jul 03, 2003 @ 16:22 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
  14. Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: The IBWC speaks!!! - Key Treaty Part
    Eureka! I think L.N. has found it! Thank you! Yes! The old treaty actually codifies that BOTH the bridge AND THE GROUND UNDER IT (however unclearly defined
    Jul 03, 2003 @ 16:55 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  15. as postulated or qed
    which you may recall was also where we began still wanting after witnessing many busted tries claims & hopes to see hard evidence anywhere in the world today
    Jul 03, 2003 @ 17:28 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
  16. Re: [BoundaryPoint] as postulated or qed
    That happened before my happy arrival in the group. I originally shared the bridge photos only to document an thought-provoking monumentation. I was never
    Jul 03, 2003 @ 17:44 - Lowell G. McManus ("Lowell G. McManus" <mcmanus71496@...>)
  17. Re: as postulated or qed
    ah so lowell of course & all i meant you may recall in your & our particular case where you & we began was 10750 10751 10752 10755 etc tho i must say i have
    Jul 03, 2003 @ 18:19 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
  18. now youve got qed i celebrate
    another golden oldie too ... actually ... integrity ... perhaps ... done ... least ... McManus
    Jul 08, 2003 @ 18:17 - acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)