on this map the putative sexicountry claim area has a different
shape
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/images/schinasea.jpg
but note here also the differences between the 12nm territorial
sea claim limits & 200nm eez claim limits
both as authorized by unclos
& the unauthorized claim limits beyond 200nm
so whatever the true shape of the sexicountry claim area
it is not just apples & oranges but full blown fruit salad
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "aletheiak"
<aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> right
> if it exists
> & whatever it means
> this is a 6country quadrilateral rather than a 6country pentagon
>
> & thus it has only 24 countrysides rather than 30
> oops
>
> but the natures of the overlapping claims
> not to mention its megapoint corners
> are apparently quite various & heterogeneous
> & not well understood
> by me at least
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael Kaufman
> <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > Ok, if CN, VN, and TW claim all of the islands and
> > water then that makes sense. So a 5-country-claimed
> > reef. And then we do have that small piece of ocean
> > as a 6-country-claimed region. Of course it is not
> > pentagonal but rather quadrilateral since it only has
> > 4 sides.
> >
> > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael
> > > Kaufman
> > > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > The map in the link says nothing about Taiwan and
> > > > Louisa Reef as far as I can see.
> > >
> > > true but taiwan claims all the spratlys
> > > with no known exceptions
> > > just as do china & vietnam
> > >
> > > so i have assumed each of their claims includes
> > > louisa reef
> > >
> > > & malaysia & brunei lay explicit claim to louisa
> > > also
> > > but without claiming all the other spratlys
> > >
> > > i dont know what the vietnam petroleum block claim
> > > is or means
> > >
> > > but there is no reason to suppose it limits the
> > > vietnamese claim
> > > to all the spratlys
> > > & there are many reefs & shoals beyond it with
> > > vietnamese
> > > names
> > > apparently including the vietnamese occupied pigeon
> > > reef
> > >
> > > the small pentagonal ocean area you identify below
> > > as claimed
> > > by 5 countries is more likely actually claimed by
> > > all 6
> > > presumably including taiwan
> > > since maritime claims follow from land claims
> > >
> > > neither the map nor list purports to be exhaustive
> > > so not every claim to every spratly is shown &or
> > > mentioned
> > >
> > > & of course not every claim to every spratly is
> > > backed up by actual
> > > occupation
> > >
> > > in fact most of them are deserted
> > >
> > > end inserts
> > >
> > >
> > > And it looks like it
> > > > falls outside the Vietnam Petroleum Block Claim.
> > > On
> > > > the basis of the map alone, it looks like China,
> > > > Brunei, and Malaysia claim it. There is one small
> > > > ocean area - China, Brunei, Malaysia, Philippines,
> > > > Vietnam - with no depicted islands or reefs.
> > > >
> > > > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > tho the philippines do claim several of the
> > > spratly
> > > > > islands
> > > > > & tho all 6 bncnmyphtwvn countries claim at
> > > least 1
> > > > > spratly each
> > > > > the philippines dont claim louisa reef as the
> > > > > bncnmytwvn 5 do
> > > > >
> > > > > moreover
> > > > > since none of the other individual spratlys is
> > > > > claimed by more
> > > > > than 4 of the 6 spratly countries
> > > > > & since no other place in the world is claimed
> > > by
> > > > > more than 3
> > > > > countries
> > > > > louisa reef stands alone as the hottest real
> > > estate
> > > > > on earth
> > > > > &or under the sea
> > > > >
> > > > > for the basis of my arithmetic
> > > > > please refer again to message 14049
> > > > > & especially to the color coded annotated map in
> > > the
> > > > > link there
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael
> > > > > Kaufman
> > > > > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > Why not 6 country with Philippines?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > yes we have had this report at least since
> > > > > message
> > > > > > > 14049
> > > > > > > when i still imagined she was only a
> > > 4country
> > > > > reef
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > see under louisa in alphabetical list of
> > > > > spratlys in
> > > > > > > the middlebury
> > > > > > > link there
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > only later did it dawn on me that the
> > > bruneian
> > > > > claim
> > > > > > > to her was
> > > > > > > just as real as the 4 others
> > > > > > > despite its being unique in not
> > > acknowledging
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > reef as dry
> > > > > > > land but only as maritime territory
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > but i generally prefer my theories as spare
> > > &
> > > > > lean
> > > > > > > as possible
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > "Lowell G.
> > > > > > > McManus"
> > > > > > > <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Each theory is as good as the other.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Do we know for fact that the lighthouse or
> > > > > > > navigation beacon
> > > > > > > was Malaysian, or
> > > > > > > > is that theory too?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Lowell G. McManus
> > > > > > > > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "aletheiak" <aletheiak@y...>
> > > > > > > > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 1:47 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible
> > > > > BNCNMYTWVN
> > > > > > > 5-Country Reef and Obelisk
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > well no need to postulate a greater
> > > mystery
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > order to solve
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > lesser one
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > & i think a single 5country obelisk in
> > > the
> > > > > sea
> > > > > > > is plenty for the
> > > > > > > time
> > > > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > the so called lighthouse or beacon
> > > > > > > > > whether it was mounted atop the obelisk
> > > or
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > could easily have just been a small
> > > > > reflector or
> > > > > > > glow type
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > the lawn of my estate here on cream hill
> > > is
> > > > > > > littered with solar
> > > > > > > > > powered night lights comprised of 6inch
> > > > > plastic
> > > > > > > cubes that
> > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > stick into the ground
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > & the 2 blocklike forms you have spotted
> > > on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > reef could
> > > > > > > easily
> > > > > > > > > have come from the top of the single
> > > known
> > > > > > > obelisk
> > > > > > > > > the height of which does indeed appear
> > > to
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > been
> > > > > > > reduced
> > > > > > > > > as detailed below
> > > > > > > > > by the necessary 15 or 20 percent to
> > > account
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > give or take a beacon
> > > > > > > > > & were perhaps shot down by the same
> > > chinese
> > > > > > > gunboat
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > perhaps shot out the light
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > leaving stone markers to claim
> > > sovereignty
> > > > > over
> > > > > > > islets
> > > > > > > > > &or destroying such markers to deny it
> > > > > > > > > has been a fixture thruout the china
> > > seas
> > > > > since
> > > > > > > 1895
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > after malaysia destroyed the chinese
> > > marker
> > > > > here
> > > > > > > > > it seems to me
> > > > > > > > > the least china could have done was
> > > destroy
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > malaysian
> > > > > > > light
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > anyway so little for my theory
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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