right
if it exists
& whatever it means
this is a 6country quadrilateral rather than a 6country pentagon
& thus it has only 24 countrysides rather than 30
oops
but the natures of the overlapping claims
not to mention its megapoint corners
are apparently quite various & heterogeneous
& not well understood
by me at least
--- In
BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael Kaufman
<mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> Ok, if CN, VN, and TW claim all of the islands and
> water then that makes sense. So a 5-country-claimed
> reef. And then we do have that small piece of ocean
> as a 6-country-claimed region. Of course it is not
> pentagonal but rather quadrilateral since it only has
> 4 sides.
>
> --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
>
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael
> > Kaufman
> > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > The map in the link says nothing about Taiwan and
> > > Louisa Reef as far as I can see.
> >
> > true but taiwan claims all the spratlys
> > with no known exceptions
> > just as do china & vietnam
> >
> > so i have assumed each of their claims includes
> > louisa reef
> >
> > & malaysia & brunei lay explicit claim to louisa
> > also
> > but without claiming all the other spratlys
> >
> > i dont know what the vietnam petroleum block claim
> > is or means
> >
> > but there is no reason to suppose it limits the
> > vietnamese claim
> > to all the spratlys
> > & there are many reefs & shoals beyond it with
> > vietnamese
> > names
> > apparently including the vietnamese occupied pigeon
> > reef
> >
> > the small pentagonal ocean area you identify below
> > as claimed
> > by 5 countries is more likely actually claimed by
> > all 6
> > presumably including taiwan
> > since maritime claims follow from land claims
> >
> > neither the map nor list purports to be exhaustive
> > so not every claim to every spratly is shown &or
> > mentioned
> >
> > & of course not every claim to every spratly is
> > backed up by actual
> > occupation
> >
> > in fact most of them are deserted
> >
> > end inserts
> >
> >
> > And it looks like it
> > > falls outside the Vietnam Petroleum Block Claim.
> > On
> > > the basis of the map alone, it looks like China,
> > > Brunei, and Malaysia claim it. There is one small
> > > ocean area - China, Brunei, Malaysia, Philippines,
> > > Vietnam - with no depicted islands or reefs.
> > >
> > > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > tho the philippines do claim several of the
> > spratly
> > > > islands
> > > > & tho all 6 bncnmyphtwvn countries claim at
> > least 1
> > > > spratly each
> > > > the philippines dont claim louisa reef as the
> > > > bncnmytwvn 5 do
> > > >
> > > > moreover
> > > > since none of the other individual spratlys is
> > > > claimed by more
> > > > than 4 of the 6 spratly countries
> > > > & since no other place in the world is claimed
> > by
> > > > more than 3
> > > > countries
> > > > louisa reef stands alone as the hottest real
> > estate
> > > > on earth
> > > > &or under the sea
> > > >
> > > > for the basis of my arithmetic
> > > > please refer again to message 14049
> > > > & especially to the color coded annotated map in
> > the
> > > > link there
> > > >
> > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael
> > > > Kaufman
> > > > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > > Why not 6 country with Philippines?
> > > > >
> > > > > --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > yes we have had this report at least since
> > > > message
> > > > > > 14049
> > > > > > when i still imagined she was only a
> > 4country
> > > > reef
> > > > > >
> > > > > > see under louisa in alphabetical list of
> > > > spratlys in
> > > > > > the middlebury
> > > > > > link there
> > > > > >
> > > > > > only later did it dawn on me that the
> > bruneian
> > > > claim
> > > > > > to her was
> > > > > > just as real as the 4 others
> > > > > > despite its being unique in not
> > acknowledging
> > > > the
> > > > > > reef as dry
> > > > > > land but only as maritime territory
> > > > > >
> > > > > > but i generally prefer my theories as spare
> > &
> > > > lean
> > > > > > as possible
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > "Lowell G.
> > > > > > McManus"
> > > > > > <mcmanus71496@m...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Each theory is as good as the other.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do we know for fact that the lighthouse or
> > > > > > navigation beacon
> > > > > > was Malaysian, or
> > > > > > > is that theory too?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lowell G. McManus
> > > > > > > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "aletheiak" <aletheiak@y...>
> > > > > > > To: <BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 1:47 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Possible
> > > > BNCNMYTWVN
> > > > > > 5-Country Reef and Obelisk
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > well no need to postulate a greater
> > mystery
> > > > in
> > > > > > order to solve
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > lesser one
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > & i think a single 5country obelisk in
> > the
> > > > sea
> > > > > > is plenty for the
> > > > > > time
> > > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > the so called lighthouse or beacon
> > > > > > > > whether it was mounted atop the obelisk
> > or
> > > > not
> > > > > > > > could easily have just been a small
> > > > reflector or
> > > > > > glow type
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > the lawn of my estate here on cream hill
> > is
> > > > > > littered with solar
> > > > > > > > powered night lights comprised of 6inch
> > > > plastic
> > > > > > cubes that
> > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > stick into the ground
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > & the 2 blocklike forms you have spotted
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > > reef could
> > > > > > easily
> > > > > > > > have come from the top of the single
> > known
> > > > > > obelisk
> > > > > > > > the height of which does indeed appear
> > to
> > > > have
> > > > > > been
> > > > > > reduced
> > > > > > > > as detailed below
> > > > > > > > by the necessary 15 or 20 percent to
> > account
> > > > for
> > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > give or take a beacon
> > > > > > > > & were perhaps shot down by the same
> > chinese
> > > > > > gunboat
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > perhaps shot out the light
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > leaving stone markers to claim
> > sovereignty
> > > > over
> > > > > > islets
> > > > > > > > &or destroying such markers to deny it
> > > > > > > > has been a fixture thruout the china
> > seas
> > > > since
> > > > > > 1895
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > after malaysia destroyed the chinese
> > marker
> > > > here
> > > > > > > > it seems to me
> > > > > > > > the least china could have done was
> > destroy
> > > > the
> > > > > > malaysian
> > > > > > light
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > anyway so little for my theory
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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