Subject: Re: Info re BCIDWA and BCIDMT tripoints
Date: Jul 22, 2004 @ 06:02
Author: aletheiak ("aletheiak" <aletheiak@...>)
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> but if the tripoint hadnt been marked by any
> monument
> as is the case with few dry but most wet points for
> example
>
> Which wet tps ARE directly marked with a monument?:
> FINOSE...
> This is the only example I came up with. Unless I'm
> missing some, then this could be unique on the
> international scale.
>
> --- aletheiak <aletheiak@y...> wrote:
> > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Patton
> > [DCP]"
> > <dpatton@c...> wrote:
> > > At 01:44 AM 2004/07/19,
> > BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com
> > wrote:
> > > >Topics in this digest:
> > > >
> > > > 2. Re: Info re BCIDWA and BCIDMT tripoints
> > > > From: "aletheiak" <aletheiak@y...>
> > >
> >
>_________________________________________________
> > _______________________
> > > >
> > > >Message: 2
> > > > Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 17:38:58 -0000
> > > > From: "aletheiak" <aletheiak@y...>
> > > >Subject: Re: Info re BCIDWA and BCIDMT tripoints
> > > >
> > > >major congrats dave
> > > >especially as bcidwa was looking far more
> > challenging than
> > bcidmt
> > > >in terms of remoteness & physical difficulty
> > > >not to mention in terms of its punctology
> > > >so bravissimos
> > > >
> > > >was that a class a
> > >
> > > This group's "visit class categories" are so
> > 'fuzzy' that
> > > I don't think I can say with any certainty.
> > However, I
> > > think you'll see when I write up my visit that it
> > probably
> > > is a "Class A" visit, or some variation thereof.
> > >
> > > >indeed was it monumented after all
> > >
> > > Yes.
> >
> > if you think they are fuzzy at all
> > then maybe you just havent fully understood them yet
> >
> > they are actually quite simple rigorous distinct &
> > comprehensive
> >
> > & i realize they wouldnt work at all for
> > confluencing
> > but they are quite meaningful if not perfect for
> > tripointing
> >
> > for example
> > since this bcidwa tripoint is marked by a monument
> > if you touched the place on the monument that marks
> > the tripoint
> > such as
> > usually
> > the vertex of an obelisk or a crosshairs or dimple
> > on a flat top
> > then you visited your point class a
> > absolutely
> >
> > you absolutely made your point
> > assuming the rock wasnt too dilapidated to still be
> > accurate
> > or otherwise compromised
> >
> >
> > but if the tripoint hadnt been marked by any
> > monument
> > as is the case with few dry but most wet points for
> > example
> > then a visit couldnt be absolutely validated but
> > only indirectly
> > inferred from secondary data
> > so the best possible visit try would only have been
> > class b
> >
> > a basic visit all right but still perhaps a little
> > blurred
> >
> > & probably only in such a case btw might a gps
> > reading for
> > example have been useful for validation
> >
> > but class b is not necessarily less accurate or less
> > good than
> > class a
> >
> > rather class b is only probably less accurate than
> > class a
> > no matter how carefully one may have tried
> > as well as definitely different in quality
> >
> > these 2 top classes are both the best possible
> > visits for their
> > respective situations & conditions
> >
> >
> > now
> > back to your monumented tripoint or all tripoints
> > generally
> >
> > if you didnt actually touch the tripoint but merely
> > saw it distinctly
> > however close you may have come
> > then that is only class c
> > as in close
> >
> > if you saw the tripoint from such a distance that it
> > was indistinct
> > or could only be generally or approximately
> > visualized
> > then that is only class d
> > as in distant
> >
> >
> > & if you earnestly tried but never reached or even
> > saw the tripoint
> > whether from a great distance or even from right
> > beside the
> > marker
> > then that is class e
> > as in elusive
> >
> > thats right
> > there have actually been cases where someone saw &
> > even
> > touched the marker but still never reached nor even
> > saw the
> > tripoint itself
> >
> >
> > so our abcde classes dont really describe relative
> > distances but
> > only characteristics of relative precision & clarity
> >
> > & they apply equally to visits or to photos of
> > visits btw
> >
> >
> > & i can imagine all this might be a lot different
> > from the extreme
> > reliance on gps & photographic validation that
> > confluencers use
> >
> > but we are interested in different things & in doing
> > them
> > differently too
> >
> > & of course the points & norms of confluencing might
> > seem
> > equally fuzzy to multipointers
> >
> > like in our terms i believe you all never actually
> > achieve class a
> > but accept the limitations of your instruments as
> > your basic point
> > size
> >
> > so your points are actually not points at all but
> > small circles
> > & thus i believe all your visits correspond at best
> > to our class b
> > being not absolute but just the best available
> > approximations
> >
> > but that doesnt necessarily make you fuzzy
> > only different
> > & necessarily so
> >
> >
> > > >& did you try bcidmt too
> > >
> > > No.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dave Patton
> > > Canadian Coordinator, Degree Confluence Project
> > > http://www.confluence.org/
> > > My website: http://members.shaw.ca/davepatton/
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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