Subject: Re: my vatican credo so far
Date: Apr 16, 2004 @ 16:38
Author: acroorca2002 ("acroorca2002" <orc@...>)
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> Mike wrote:outside
>
> > it is clear the propylaea are curved as well as stepped on the
> > & it is clear the basic colonnades have stairs all along theirinner edges
> > but i still dont know if the basic colonnades also have similarstairs along
> > their outer edgesoverlaid boundary
> > & if so what relation these might have to the basic itva ellipse
>
> If we go back to the web site from which the two pics with the
> lines came, we find many additional photos and the wholevoluminous history of
> the boundary, from the Lateran Treaty, through the MixedItalo-Vatican Technical
> Commission (1929-1933), to what the author calls "The NewBoundaries." Read it
> all (or try to, because it's all in Italian) atcan be seen in the
> http://www.globalgeografia.com/europa/index_scv.htm .
>
> Yes, the colonnades do have steps along the outer edges, as
> photo athttp://www.globalgeografia.com/europa/vaticano/fig03b.jpg . This
> and the other one athttp://www.globalgeografia.com/europa/vaticano/fig03a.jpg
> look toward the same propylaeum from two different directions,i believe they look toward the same column of the same
> and they showedges of the
> that the outer edge of the travertine strip aligns with the outer
> columnar plinths, ignoring the projection of the propylaeum.The author
> believes that the outer edge of the plinths was intended by thetreaty, because
> the external steps were paved over in contemporary photos.del bordo
>
> In his words:
>
> Il terzo comma definisce territorio vaticano la zona all'interno
> esterno dei bracci del Colonnato Berniniano e loroprolungamento. Si parla di
> linee esterne non specificando bene cosa siano. L'unicomodo per capirne il
> significato è quello di conoscere la situazione del Colonnato aquell'epoca: il
> livello della strada arrivava, in base a foto dell'epoca, alla basedel plinto
> delle colonne. Ciò giustifica la linea continua della piantadell'Allegato I.
>m, è in
> Il lastricato di travertino che segna il confine, largo circa 0.60
> corrispondenza del filare dei plinti delle colonne esterne delColonnato, mentre
> la planimetria firmata in Commissione non evidenzianemmeno i due propilei
> confermandone l'esclusione per quelli verso l'Italia.this is why i believe the author has taken at least this detail of the
> Correndo la linea di confine lungo il lato esterno del plintodelle colonne
> del filare esterno, vengono a trovarsi in territorio italiano lecolonne dei
> propilei del Colonnato rivolte verso Via della Conciliazione, ilcornicione e
> gli scalini esterni.specification of "the
>
> In this interpretation, the author applies the treaty's
> external edge of the arms of the Bernini Colonnade and theirprolongation" very
> literally to the columns themselves, leaving the steps, thecornice, and the
> propylaea in Italy. On the other hand, who is to say that theterm "colonnade"
> does not refer to the entire architectural structure, with all of itsright
> intricacies?
>The fact that the steps were paved over as of 1929 does notremove
> them from the structure if Gianlorenzo Bernini put them there inthe 17th
> century. Likewise, the fact that the travertine strip (assumingthat Bernini
> put it there too) aligns with the plinths and not with the steps,the cornice,
> or the propylaea proves nothing about the location of theboundary about these
> other features. After all, the talented Mr. Bernini had no ideathat he was
> designing a future international boundary. If he had, he mighthave made it
> smoother.hahaha
> Lowell G. McManus
> Leesville, Louisiana, USA