Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: Bar divided betw. US + CA
Date: Mar 18, 2004 @ 07:21
Author: Michael Kaufman (Michael Kaufman <mikekaufman79@...>)
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Why did you think that? Your original claim was
directed at me. You told me that I was pushing 10,000
miles. I'm not discounting anyone else's stops. All
I was doing was speaking of a list I had put together
myself. Of course final itineraries are a
collaborative effort. But if you were speaking of all
of the stops you should have said so instead of
directing it at me. Such lack of specificity
(compounded by all your changes) causes problems. And
if you want my list - It IS below!

--- m06079 <barbaria_longa@...> wrote:
> ok
> i thought you were including all of peters & dougs
> stops too
> which are also given below
>
> indeed all your suggestions below presupposed & were
> stacked
> upon theirs
>
> & i have been responding only to the cumulative list
> here
> rather than to some unknown selection from among
> them all
>
>
> & when did you start leaving theirs out anyway
>
> i admit that surprises me more than any of your
> other changes
>
> but still no problem
>
> lets just list all your stops in detail anyway
> somewhere if not here
> whatever they are
> as pete too appears to suggest now
> or there will be no actual outcome or output at all
>
> just more garbage in & more garbage out
>
>
> but once we actually know what we are actually
> talking about
> if ever
> then i am sure we could really do it some justice
> here at bp in
> terms of precision try pointing
>
>
> also
> by flyby i only meant freeway or bypass miles
> not airline miles
>
>
> --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael
> Kaufman
> <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > You are either not reading what I am writing or
> are
> > not understanding it. MY MILEAGE IS NOT FLY-BY
> > MILEAGE BUT IS ROAD DISTANCE CALCULATED VIA
> MAPQUEST.
> > STOP TO STOP. You are also ignoring the fact that
> I
> > said "I was speaking concerning the stops I had
> my
> > list." (fortunately that is below so you can read
> > that too). Please reread what is in my list. You
> can
> > rent cars in Vancouver and Bangor. The mileage IS
> > 7540. That is ROAD distance, not some crude
> > estimation. If you seem to be in such utter
> > disbelief, why dont you actually calculate it out
> on
> > Mapquest instead of just assuming you are right?
> Your
> > addition of 1200 miles is completely unwarranted
> as it
> > is ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR. And your 700
> serendipitous
> > miles may be appropriate for you, but not
> necessarily
> > for everyone else. And it is not necessary to
> expand
> > upon the plus for the simple reasone that COMMON
> SENSE
> > tells you hotels plus food does not come to 2460
> > miles!
> >
> > --- m06079 <barbaria_longa@h...> wrote:
> > > well whatever you may or may not have changed
> > > fortunately it is all still here below to check
> > >
> > > & if you really do want to know the truth
> > > then why not spell out & measure up your full
> > > itinerary as it is
> > > rather than just the approximate fly by mileages
> for
> > > some of it
> > >
> > > & likewise why not actually estimate the parts
> you
> > > cant spell out
> > > rather than shrugging them off with a vague plus
> > > sign
> > > as such variables can be guesstimed fairly well
> from
> > > experience
> > >
> > > until you do
> > > i can only continue to imagine we might be
> talking
> > > about the
> > > same trip
> > > & to continue to figure it very crudely as
> follows
> > >
> > > vancouver to beaver creek to hyder to vancouver
> is
> > > 3600 miles
> > >
> > > vancouver to international falls to detroit to
> > > niagara to estcourt to
> > > campobello to bangor all direct is 4000 miles
> > >
> > > & tho you claim this 4000 takes account of all
> the
> > > stops
> > > i dont see how it can
> > > because many of them involve substantial side
> trips
> > >
> > > indeed the dozen or so mentioned destinations
> that
> > > are not on
> > > this direct route add perhaps 1200 miles by my
> own
> > > wild guess
> > >
> > > serendipity & unplanned necessity & mistakes etc
> add
> > > perhaps
> > > another 700 miles
> > > or more
> > >
> > > so my grand total thus far is perhaps 9500 miles
> or
> > > more
> > > which may not be so very different from what you
> are
> > > calling
> > > 7540 miles plus
> > > perhaps without fully realizing just how big
> that
> > > plus must be
> > >
> > >
> > > btw
> > > last time i tried
> > > it wasnt possible to rent a driveaway dropoff
> either
> > > to or from
> > > alaska
> > > so that may not actually be an option for you
> either
> > >
> > > perhaps you could do it in whitehorse
> > > but
> > > for the same economic reasons
> > > i wouldnt count on it
> > >
> > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com, Michael
> > > Kaufman
> > > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > No. I am not changing what I am saying here,
> nor
> > > what
> > > > you said. And I am not disagreeing with you
> for
> > > the
> > > > sake of pleasure. I am disagreeing with you
> for
> > > the
> > > > sake of truth. And I presented several
> options
> > > for
> > > > arriving at distances. One of these was to
> start
> > > at
> > > > around Beaver Creek. Another, LONGER route
> was to
> > > > rent a car in Vancouver, drive to Beaver
> Creek,
> > > then
> > > > drive to Blaine. THIS route gives 7540 miles
> > > > (finishing at Bangor). Any route starting at
> the
> > > > vicinity of Beaver Creek would be less, as
> there
> > > are
> > > > in fact airports and car rental facilities
> closer
> > > to
> > > > Beaver Creek than Vancouver. Taking the
> LONGER
> > > route
> > > > of Vancouver to Beaver Creek to Blaine to
> Bangor,
> > > we
> > > > have 7540 + stops, hotels, food. Which still
> > > isn't
> > > > 10,000 miles.
> > > >
> > > > --- acroorca2002 <orc@o...> wrote:
> > > > > ah but mike
> > > > > for the sheer pleasure of disagreeing with
> me
> > > > > you are now changing not only what i said
> but
> > > what
> > > > > you said too
> > > > >
> > > > > if you start from vancouver
> > > > > you cant very well start from beaver creek
> too
> > > > > can you
> > > > >
> > > > > & thats only a few thousand extra miles you
> > > still
> > > > > havent counted
> > > > > yet
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > but i see now even peter
> > > > > who started it all
> > > > > has backed out
> > > > >
> > > > > & it sounds like dougs thru route wont even
> be
> > > > > leaving the
> > > > > transcanada highway
> > > > >
> > > > > so that may leave only you & me to actually
> go
> > > > > border freaking
> > > > >
> > > > > hmm
> > > > > so how about making it a tripointing
> expedition
> > > > > after all then
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> Michael
> > > > > Kaufman
> > > > > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > I was speaking concerning the stops I had
> in
> > > my
> > > > > list.
> > > > > > And there are quite a few national car
> chains
> > > > > within
> > > > > > range of the beginning and ending points.
> > > It's
> > > > > only a
> > > > > > little over 110 miles from Campobello to
> > > Bangor.
> > > > > And
> > > > > > it's only 30 miles from Blaine to
> Vancouver.
> > > > > > (Vancouver and Bangor both have airports
> and
> > > car
> > > > > > rental facilities.) This 140+ miles plus
> > > wrong
> > > > > turns
> > > > > > plus driving to restaurants and hotels
> etc,
> > > sure
> > > > > > doesn't come close to 2600 miles!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- m06079 <barbaria_longa@h...> wrote:
> > > > > > > haha
> > > > > > > well it is true i was high in the andes
> > > > > > > thank goodness
> > > > > > > but what you are now actually saying
> here
> > > mike
> > > > > at
> > > > > > > minimum
> > > > > > > namely
> > > > > > > beginning from beaver creek of all
> places as
> > > if
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > really could
> > > > > > > & then skipping skagway now
> > > > > > > to hyder to point roberts to
> international
> > > falls
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > detroit to niagara
> > > > > > > to estcourt to campobello
> > > > > > > via all the other stops mentioned below
> by
> > > > > everyone
> > > > > > > but me too
> > > > > > > & within the terms of the actual 2 week
> tour
> > > > > being
> > > > > > > contemplated
> > > > > > > & even assuming direct travel & no wrong
> > > turns
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > serendipity
> > > > > > > which of course you cant because you
> wont
> > > > > actually
> > > > > > > do that
> > > > > > > & even assuming you could just end the
> trip
> > > at
> > > > > > > campobello too
> > > > > > > which you cant do either
> > > > > > > will still add up on the odometer to far
> > > more
> > > > > than
> > > > > > > the 7400 miles
> > > > > > > you are seeing on your roadmap
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > so in the event of reality
> > > > > > > if any
> > > > > > > rather than teleportation to the start &
> > > from
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > end
> > > > > > > etc etc
> > > > > > > you are certainly pushing if not
> actually
> > > into 5
> > > > > > > digits of miles
> > > > > > > even with this foreshortened itinerary
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > & if you dont believe me
> > > > > > > well then by all means try it with or
> > > without
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > cocaine
> > > > > > > but i dont see how anyone could actually
> > > even
> > > > > try to
> > > > > > > make such a
> > > > > > > try under any circumstances
> > > > > > > let alone with a whole carload of people
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > & i say this having already driven about
> 99
> > > > > percent
> > > > > > > of it myself
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > Michael
> > > > > > > Kaufman
> > > > > > > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > No way. Blaine, WA to Campobello Is.
> is
> > > just
> > > > > over
> > > > > > > > 4000 by Mapquest, taking into account
> all
> > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > stops. Adding a segment of Skagway to
> > > Blaine
> > > > > adds
> > > > > > > > 1500 miles. So that makes 5500 miles.
> A
> > > > > Yukon
> > > > > > > > crossing near Beaver Creek could be
> done
> > > in
> > > > > 1700
> > > > > > > miles
> > > > > > > > (distance to Blaine), which would make
> > > 5700.
> > > > > Even
> > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > you were thinking of a round trip
> segment
> > > from
> > > > > > > Blaine
> > > > > > > > to Yukon to Blaine, you would still
> only
> > > get
> > > > > 7400
> > > > > > > > miles. Any of these figures are much
> > > closer
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > 6000
> > > > > > > > than 11,000. Were your calculations
> done
> > > > > while on
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > aformentioned cocaine? heh heh heh ;)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- m06079 <barbaria_longa@h...>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > yes awful high
> > > > > > > > > especially if you move gold rush
> park
> > > from
> > > > > > > skagway
> > > > > > > > > to practically
> > > > > > > > > anywhere else
> > > > > > > > > since that alone could save you over
> > > 2000
> > > > > miles
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > driving
> > > > > > > > > & make your guess of closer to 6000
> > > miles
> > > > > than
> > > > > > > 10000
> > > > > > > > > correct
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > but if you moved gold rush park to
> the
> > > yukon
> > > > > > > > > as it appears you may still be
> intending
> > > to
> > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > then you would be closer to 11000
> miles
> > > than
> > > > > > > 6000
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In
> BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > "Michael
> > > > > > > > > Kaufman"
> > > > > > > > > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Hmm 10,000 seems an awful high
> > > estimate.
> > > > > > > Closer
> > > > > > > > > to 6,000 I
> > > > > > > > > think.
> > > > > > > > > > But regardless it seems Gold Rush
> is
> > > not
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > park
> > > > > > > > > I was
> > > > > > > > > looking for
> > > > > > > > > > as that borders on BC, not YK.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In
> BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > > > > > "acroorca2002"
> > > > > > > > > <orc@o...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > hahaha
> > > > > > > > > > > hey it wouldnt be impractical to
> > > just
> > > > > > > remember
> > > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > > > would it
> > > > > > > > > > > hahaha
> > > > > > > > > > > as if an alaska to new brunswick
> > > motor
> > > > > tour
> > > > > > > > > could actually be
> > > > > > > > > > > done in the same 2 weeks anyway
> > > > > > > > > > > hahaha
> > > > > > > > > > > even without any of the other
> > > mentioned
> > > > > side
> > > > > > > > > trips & stops
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > well maybe if you had enough
> cocaine
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > but it looks like you are
> already
> > > > > pushing
> > > > > > > 10000
> > > > > > > > > miles there
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > > > Michael
> > > > > > > > > Kaufman
> > > > > > > > > > > <mikekaufman79@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm some of those I think
> would
> > > have
> > > > > to be
> > > > > > > > > precluded
> > > > > > > > > > > > due to practicality. And the
> > > > > Binational
> > > > > > > tps
> > > > > > > > > would be
> > > > > > > > > > > > more a subject of another trip
> I
> > > > > think.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- acroorca2002 <orc@o...>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > nice lists all
> > > > > > > > > > > > > & if we are really going to
> do
> > > the
> > > > > full
> > > > > > > > > 2week
> > > > > > > > > > > > > great north american border
> > > > > expedition
> > > > > > > > > > > > > without mexico but with a
> bazuco
> > > > > > > > > > > > > then lets at least remember
> > > > > > > > > > > > > hans island cadk
> > > > > > > > > > > > > isle verte cafr
> > > > > > > > > > > > > & the diomedes ruus
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > also
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the twin virgin idaho
> british
> > > > > columbia
> > > > > > > > > tripoints
> > > > > > > > > > > > > & others equally causal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes practically
> coincident
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > choices
> > > > > > > > > > > > > tho i wont spoil it by
> telling
> > > you
> > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > ones til we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > get close
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > BoundaryPoint@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > > > Doug
> > > > > > > > > Murray
> > > > > > > > > > > > > <doug@d...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't believe I missed
> > > Haskell,
> > > > > > > Beebe, &
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Canusa... and lunch
> > > > > > > > > > > > > with the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hurtibuse's! And dinner
> at
> > > > > Hoagie's
> > > > > > > Pizza
> > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Newport,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vermont.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 9, 2004,
> at
> > > > > 10:31
> > > > > > > PM,
> > > > > > > > > Michael
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kaufman
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice job. I have been
> > > > > constructing
> > > > > > > > > (made it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > several
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months ago and added
> here
> > > and
> > > > > there)
> > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > own list
> > > > > > > > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very similar to yours.
> > > Though
> > > > > there
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > a few
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > differences.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here it is:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CA-US:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gold Rush Int. Park -
> YK/AK
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Roberts, Peace Arch,
> 0
> > > Ave.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > North Portal, SK -
> Portal,
> > > ND
> > > > > Golf
> > > > > > > > > Course
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > International Peace
> Gardens
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > International Peace Park
> -
> > > > > Waterton
> > > > > > > > > Glacier,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Alberta
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > International Falls - MN
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pinecreek/Piney Airport
> -
> > > > > Pinecreek
> > > > > > > MN,
> > > > > > > > > Piney MB
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Detroit/Windsor Tunnel
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Niagara Falls
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zavikon Bridge & 1000
> > > Islands
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NY/Que bar with pool
> table
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haskell, Beebe, Canusa
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Campobello - NB/ME
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Doug Murray
> <doug@d...>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> We are definitely due
> for a
> > > > > Great
> > > > > > > North
> > > > > > > > > > > > > American
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Border Expedition
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> (though, Mexico would
> not
> > > be
> > > > > > > included
> > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > time).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Highlights:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Stewart BC-Hyder AK ( a
> > > > > toughie, as
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > is so
> > > > > > > > > > > > > far
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> north)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Point Roberts
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Sleeping at the
> Smugglers
> > > Inn
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > Zero
> > > > > > > > > Ave.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Zero Ave!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Peace Arch (BC-WA)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Peace Garden (MB-ND)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> The Pineycreek (MB-MN)
> > > Airport
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Angle Inlet
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> International Falls, MN
> -
> > > Fort
> > > > > > > Frances,
> > > > > > > > > ON
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Windsor, ON - Detroit,
> MI
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Niagara Falls
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> The intersection of
> Douglas
> > > &
> > > > > > > Murray in
> > > > > > > > > Fort
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Erie,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> ON (though for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> personal reasons!)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Akwesasne Reserve
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> The Border Bar (Fort
> > > Covington,
> > > > > NY
> > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > > > Dundee,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > QC)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> The Border Golf Course
> > > (ME-NB)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> And Campobello Island
> > > (ME-NB)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 2 weeks for this one!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Doug
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Monday, March 8,
> 2004,
> > > at
> > > > > 06:27
> > > > > > > AM,
> > > > > > > > > Peter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hering
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Hello all,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> I've just added a
> picture
> > > to
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > photo
> > > > > > > > > section
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> BP:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> taken in Ft. Covington
> -
> > > > > border
> > > > > > > > > Qu�bec/NY.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Wouldn't it be nice to
> > > have a
> > > > > real
> > > > > > > > > party
> > > > > > > > > > > > > here??
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Playing billiards -
> one
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> drinking bourbon in
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> a
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> > > > > > > in
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> well, just say when -
> I'll
> > > be
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> all yours
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